Belt Fed
Ronin
Ain't that weird how when you think you're gonna die, everything takes a long time. i fell through a 14 foot roof one time and i swear it took 30 minutes to hit the ground. all kinda things run through your head.
Can You Make a Sub-1-Second Shot?
- Thread starter Mike H.
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Time is relative in an emergency. Back when I was a hoser an alarm would come in and we’d hustle out the door. We would pull-up on afire scene in an instant-the folks Waiting forthe truck thought it took forever for us to get there. Reality is somewhere in the middle, usually 5-15 minutes depending on where we were going.
PAGunGuy
Master Class
We tried it once during practice for quals of something.
For my agency, we have to be "covered", which for me means I just run an unzipped vest, so you just sweep it off the side before you draw.
Of course, we use a retention holster, but it's the Safariland with the little thumb button which is basically part of the draw anyways, so I don't know if it really adds any time (maybe a few fractions of a second?).
I couldn't do under a second, but not far over, maybe around 1.3
For my agency, we have to be "covered", which for me means I just run an unzipped vest, so you just sweep it off the side before you draw.
Of course, we use a retention holster, but it's the Safariland with the little thumb button which is basically part of the draw anyways, so I don't know if it really adds any time (maybe a few fractions of a second?).
I couldn't do under a second, but not far over, maybe around 1.3
Well let's hope we can. Apparently the SS agent fired many times from a lot closer than most of us train at and missed 100% https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-ne...in-from-five-feet-away-and-missed-every-shot/
Bassbob
Emissary
That's because instead of drilling on stuff that matters, you're busy slamming your old, fat body to the ground to see if the parts on your mid tier rifle rattle.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
You saw the famous female agent fumble the pistol during the Trump assamation attempt, right ? your suprised how?
HansGruber
Ronin
I’ve done force in force (two way range w/simunitions) training; I watched two people 10 feet apart miss each other 20 times (ten rounds fired each).
When you’re moving, and your target is moving, and you’re both trying your best to not get shot…accuracy isn’t always in the forefront of your mind.
That being said; going cyclic and spraying the general area isn’t going to help, unless you consider luck a tactic.
And I’ve done sub-1 second shots from a draw in practice; been a while, though, and I’m rusty, probably can’t do it now without doing some work…
When you’re moving, and your target is moving, and you’re both trying your best to not get shot…accuracy isn’t always in the forefront of your mind.
That being said; going cyclic and spraying the general area isn’t going to help, unless you consider luck a tactic.
And I’ve done sub-1 second shots from a draw in practice; been a while, though, and I’m rusty, probably can’t do it now without doing some work…
Annihilator
Emissary
By the time i pull my shirt up lift up the belly roll, pull it out of the holster. might take 30 seconds. the belly roll takes the longest.
SimonRL
Hellcat
Just go to a range where regular beat cops train. It’s appalling. You’ll have a couple of different thoughts 1) I’m never calling these guys and/or 2) They better hope I’m not a bad guy.
rcurtner
Professional
Back in the day I remember two officers that had me zero their sights on a S&W M-19 and a S&W M-29. These two could not a bull in th@ss with a bass fiddle.
Biggfoot44
Elite
Actually, I have had a couple do exactly that .
Biggfoot44
Elite
WellArmed
Master Class
I guess I'm the outlier. All I care about is if I can get multiple good hits center mass or in the head on a threat. I never cared much or put much value in getting tight groups outside showing off at the range or target shooting for fun.
Can I do it? Yes, I can, but at a closer distance and not while shooting as fast as I can, especially with my terrible eyesight. I just don't see the practical real-life purpose in it. In a self-defense situation, I'm shooting to stop a threat and not to try and get every shot in the same hole. It's a lot easier to do it pre-planned, in the comfort of a secure gun range, on a still target that's not turning, ducking, or shooting back, but I don't necessarily think that translates to similar results in real life situations.
Can I do it? Yes, I can, but at a closer distance and not while shooting as fast as I can, especially with my terrible eyesight. I just don't see the practical real-life purpose in it. In a self-defense situation, I'm shooting to stop a threat and not to try and get every shot in the same hole. It's a lot easier to do it pre-planned, in the comfort of a secure gun range, on a still target that's not turning, ducking, or shooting back, but I don't necessarily think that translates to similar results in real life situations.
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Biggfoot44
Elite
The fastest draw I ever made, l have no memory of .
I saw *Felon , coming at me * , and magically a Front Sight appeared on his chest . In the back of my mind , I was " dang , where'd that come from " .
[ At that point , he spun around in mid air , and ran thru a wall in the opposite direction. ]
I saw *Felon , coming at me * , and magically a Front Sight appeared on his chest . In the back of my mind , I was " dang , where'd that come from " .
[ At that point , he spun around in mid air , and ran thru a wall in the opposite direction. ]
Biggfoot44
Elite
I might be having a brain fart right now , but please remind me what are:
Bakersfield Qualification ?
Casino Drill ?
Round Up?
Bakersfield Qualification ?
Casino Drill ?
Round Up?
Bakersfield Qual in link
Shooting Drill: Old Bakersfield PD Qual - Swift | Silent | Deadly
The old Bakersfield PD Qual is a shooting test of speed and accuracy that will tell you where you stand. Shoot it in your duty/carry rig ASAP!
swiftsilentdeadly.com
Casino drill is normally theee 7 round mags (or change it up with one 6 one 7 and one 8 round mags) 21 rounds total shoot at the casino target below (I call it casino target because we use it in Rangemaster classes) one round on 1 two rounds on 2 three rounds on 3 so on and so forth reload as needed. Par time is 21 seconds or less with 1 second added for each miss
5 yard round up 10 rounds total at 5 yards on a B8 repair center 2.5 second par time for each.
Stage one 1 round from holster
Stage two 4 rounds from low ready
Stage three 3 rounds strong hand only
Stage four 2 rounds weak hand only 80% to pass (90% for Rangemaster Instructor)
FIVE-YARD ROUNDUP: Timed Close-Up Shooting Drill - SWAT Survival | Weapons | Tactics
As I work with different groups of shooters and organizations, I routinely see a significant training gap: solid hits under realistic time pressure at relatively close range. A compelling body of evidence from anecdotal as well as organizational studies shows that the fight is likely to happen...
www.swatmag.com
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PAGunGuy
Master Class
I go back and forth that. I agree with you to a degree. Bullseye shooting is not realistic for self-defense.
But if you aren't having a tight group in a controlled environment; flat range, reasonable distance, no distractions, no stress, no one shooting at you, etc.... you're probably not going to be accurate at all in a self-defense situation.
A "combat accurate" grouping on a flat range quickly turns to spray and pray in an "oh crap" situation
Bassbob
Emissary
If you’re talking about taking your time and trying to be bullseye accurate sure. If you’re drilling, from draw, point shooting, different distances, moving, you know, actual training, combat accuracy under stress will translate to combat accuracy under stress.