uspatriot1960
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Is this video a joke or serious? A 9mm is only capable of inflicting flesh wounds? And a 9mm round just bouncing off a tin can?
Carry Calibers: .40 S&W Vs. .45 ACP Vs. 9mm
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Hammer67
Professional
Total Fudd satire.Is this video a joke or serious? A 9mm is only capable of inflicting flesh wounds? And a 9mm round just bouncing off a tin can?
BET7
Ronin
That’s Chris Baker from Lucky Gunner in one off his “Manny Mansfield” character videos where he spoofs popular gun and ammo arguments, like 45 ACP is the only caliber a manly man would use. His “Manny” character videos are made for pure fun & laughs.Is this video a joke or serious? A 9mm is only capable of inflicting flesh wounds? And a 9mm round just bouncing off a tin can?
Hammer67
Professional
I really wish he'd do more of those. They are hilarious. I also really like the one he did on 'pocket pistols.'
BET7
Ronin
Yeah, I agree. I‘ve seen several (including the “pocket pistols“), and I think he walked around as ”Manny”, at one of the Shot Shows one year
ChanceMcCall
Custom
The article did not impress me. 
What impresses me most is first hand reports and incident reports of actual gunfights.
What impresses me most is first hand reports and incident reports of actual gunfights.
This reminds me of the .45ACP guy asked what he thinks about the 9mm as a self defense round. He asks, would you like to get hit by a golf ball or a brick?Is this video a joke or serious? A 9mm is only capable of inflicting flesh wounds? And a 9mm round just bouncing off a tin can?
HansGruber
Ronin
It doesn’t matter.
Seriously—IT. DOESN’T. MATTER.
www.buckeyefirearms.org
Pretty much all handguns have the same % of a stop after 2 or more hits.
So practice to make those hits, and stop worrying that your gun isn’t big enough.
Seriously—IT. DOESN’T. MATTER.
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
by Greg Ellifritz I've been interested in firearm stopping power for a very long time. I remember reading Handguns magazine back in the late 1980s when Evan Marshall was writing articles about his stopping power studies. When Marshall's first book came out in 1992, I ordered it immediately...
Pretty much all handguns have the same % of a stop after 2 or more hits.
So practice to make those hits, and stop worrying that your gun isn’t big enough.
RickAnderson
Custom
They are all around 350-400 ft-lbs of kinetic energy, some of the lighter/cheaper 9mm is in the low 300's for K.E.
.357 Magnum and 10mm gets up into the 450's and even higher, for K.E.
Seems to be saying shot placement is more important than caliber. And thus, pick the pistol you shoot the best.
.44 Magnum and .50AE does make a big jump in K.E. but also are limited in the pistols in that caliper, that also would be a challenge to use as a EDC or CCW.
Bear007
Custom
Dang ... seems there is not a lot of love for the .40 S&W. I guess if you all don't like it I might as well sell it now. 
Then I have to buy a 10 mm so you all can't talk about me ... that much anyway.
Glad I also have a couple 9 mm's for those tin cans and a "new .357" for the woods (my Christmas present, still in it's box, not even wrapped yet so I have to keep staring at it, ugh).
I'm not gonna fret too much about calibers here, I'm sure even my .380's will provide some good results when hitting the right spot.
Then I have to buy a 10 mm so you all can't talk about me ... that much anyway.Glad I also have a couple 9 mm's for those tin cans and a "new .357" for the woods (my Christmas present, still in it's box, not even wrapped yet so I have to keep staring at it, ugh).
I'm not gonna fret too much about calibers here, I'm sure even my .380's will provide some good results when hitting the right spot.
HansGruber
Ronin
KE doesn’t wound. In fact, it’s quite easy to have a caliber with higher KE that will wound less than one with lower KE.
Permanent channel is the only factor that matters with handguns.
Talyn
SAINT
Besides contributing to the permanent wound channel (mechanism of injury), KE also caused a shock wave into the body thus causing trauma to additional body parts. Example - a deep bruise
Kinetic energy in a moving object is never lost, but may be transferred to another object. When the energy is transferred to another object, it will be accelerated. If this energy transfer is to a human body and is above the level the body can tolerate, tissue damage will result.
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Dang ... seems there is not a lot of love for the .40 S&W. I guess if you all don't like it I might as well sell it now.
Glad I also have a couple 9 mm's for those tin cans and a "new .357" for the woods (my Christmas present, still in it's box, not even wrapped yet so I have to keep staring at it, ugh).
I'm not gonna fret too much about calibers here, I'm sure even my .380's will provide some good results when hitting the right spot.
My Christmas present has been hidden away and I don't know where, it's a Taurus G2C in (Gasp) 40 S&W.
Bear007
Custom
We're just working our way up to a 10 mm
Minuteman76
Operator
A Ranger NCO I trust said that he hated the 9 and would've rather carried a shotgun. I carry S&W MP 40 shield and it's been trying to convince me that my grip isn't sufficient to handle it for 2-3 years. The 9mm price and capacity features do seem to be a bonus.
HansGruber
Ronin
So, in handgun calibers-the ones mentioned in the title in particular—the temporary cavity damage from the bullet’s passage is not a reliable factor in wounding/stopping.
In addition, you could have, for example, a high KE RN Solid bullet that would do less damage in simply passing through and no deformation than a lower energy bullet that deforms and creates a larger channel.
Bassbob
Emissary
I still vote 12 gauge.
I believe the article referenced ".380-inch" 9mm rounds rather than just .380 9mm. And: https://www.outdoorlimited.com/hand...rip-45-acp-158-gr-copper-trocar-hp-20-rounds/
Many of the more recent articles I've read on the subject of caliber seem to acknowledge how the genius of marketing has related caliber size to the size of one's ... 'hands'.
youngolddude
Professional
.380 acp and 9mm Parabellum use .355" bullets, 9mm Makarov use .363-365" bullets. None of them use .380" bullets.
His 158 gr. 45 acp bullet comment is likely misstated since 180-230 gr. bullets are much more common than a bullet of that size.
I enjoy reading about guns and related content but accuracy, spelling and grammar give me more confidence in the source. YMMV