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Cartridge of the Week

Talyn

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The .40 S&W
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The .40 S&W is a rimless pistol cartridge developed jointly by major American firearms manufacturers Smith & Wesson and Winchester. The .40 S&W was developed from the ground up as a law enforcement cartridge designed to duplicate performance of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) reduced-velocity 10mm Auto cartridge which could be retrofitted into medium-frame (9mm size) semi-automatic handguns. It uses 0.40-inch (10 mm) diameter bullets ranging in weight from 105 to 200 grains. In the aftermath of the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, in which two FBI special agents were killed and five wounded, the FBI started the process of testing 9×19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP ammunition in preparation to replace its standard-issue revolver with a semi-automatic pistol. The semi-automatic pistol offered two advantages over the revolver: increased ammunition capacity and increased ease of reloading during a gunfight.

The FBI was satisfied with the performance of its .38 Special +P 158 gr lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint (LSWCHP) cartridge ("FBI load") based on decades of dependable performance. Ammunition for the new semi-automatic pistol had to deliver terminal performance equal or superior to the .38 Special FBI load. The FBI developed a series of practically oriented tests involving eight test events that they believed reasonably represented the kinds of situations that FBI agents commonly encountered in shooting incidents.

During tests of the 9×19mm and .45 ACP ammunition, the FBI Firearms Training Unit's special agent-in-charge, John Hall, decided to include tests of the 10mm Auto cartridge, supplying his own Colt Delta Elite 10mm semi-automatic, and personally handloaded ammunition. The FBI's tests revealed that a 170–180 gr JHP 10mm bullet, propelled between 900–1,000 ft/s, achieved desired terminal performance without the heavy recoil associated with conventional 10mm ammunition (1,300–1,400 ft/s).

The FBI contacted Smith & Wesson and requested it to design a handgun to FBI specifications, based on the existing large-frame Smith & Wesson Model 4506 .45 ACP handgun, that would reliably function with the FBI's reduced-velocity 10 mm ammunition. During this collaboration with the FBI, S&W realized that downsizing the 10mm full power to meet the FBI's medium velocity specification meant less powder and more airspace in the case. They found that by removing the airspace they could shorten the 10mm case enough to fit within their medium-frame 9mm handguns and load it with a 180 gr JHP bullet to produce ballistic performance identical to the FBI's reduced-velocity 10mm cartridge. S&W then teamed with Winchester to produce a new cartridge, the .40 S&W. It uses a small pistol primer whereas the 10mm cartridge uses a large pistol primer.

The .40 S&W cartridge has been popular with law enforcement agencies in the United States, Canada, Australia, and Brazil. While possessing nearly identical accuracy, drift and drop as the 9mm Parabellum, it also has an energy advantage over the 9mm Parabellum and .45 ACP, and with a more manageable recoil than the 10mm Auto cartridge. Marshall & Sanow (and other hydrostatic shock proponents) contend that with good jacketed hollow point bullets, the more energetic loads for the .40 S&W can also create hydrostatic shock in human-sized living targets.

Based on ideal terminal ballistic performance in ordnance gelatin during lab testing in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the .40 S&W earned status as "the ideal cartridge for personal defense and law enforcement". Ballistically the .40 S&W is almost identical to the .38-40 Winchester introduced in 1874, as they share the same bullet diameter and bullet weight, and have similar muzzle velocities.

The energy of the .40 S&W exceeds standard-pressure .45 ACP loadings, generating between 350 foot-pounds and 500 foot-pounds of energy, depending on bullet weight. Both the .40 S&W and the 9mm Parabellum operate at a 35,000 pounds per square inch SAAMI maximum, compared to a 21,000 pounds per square inch maximum for .45 ACP.
 
The .40 S&W
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The .40 S&W is a rimless pistol cartridge developed jointly by major American firearms manufacturers Smith & Wesson and Winchester. The .40 S&W was developed from the ground up as a law enforcement cartridge designed to duplicate performance of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) reduced-velocity 10mm Auto cartridge which could be retrofitted into medium-frame (9mm size) semi-automatic handguns. It uses 0.40-inch (10 mm) diameter bullets ranging in weight from 105 to 200 grains. In the aftermath of the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, in which two FBI special agents were killed and five wounded, the FBI started the process of testing 9×19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP ammunition in preparation to replace its standard-issue revolver with a semi-automatic pistol. The semi-automatic pistol offered two advantages over the revolver: increased ammunition capacity and increased ease of reloading during a gunfight.

The FBI was satisfied with the performance of its .38 Special +P 158 gr lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint (LSWCHP) cartridge ("FBI load") based on decades of dependable performance. Ammunition for the new semi-automatic pistol had to deliver terminal performance equal or superior to the .38 Special FBI load. The FBI developed a series of practically oriented tests involving eight test events that they believed reasonably represented the kinds of situations that FBI agents commonly encountered in shooting incidents.

During tests of the 9×19mm and .45 ACP ammunition, the FBI Firearms Training Unit's special agent-in-charge, John Hall, decided to include tests of the 10mm Auto cartridge, supplying his own Colt Delta Elite 10mm semi-automatic, and personally handloaded ammunition. The FBI's tests revealed that a 170–180 gr JHP 10mm bullet, propelled between 900–1,000 ft/s, achieved desired terminal performance without the heavy recoil associated with conventional 10mm ammunition (1,300–1,400 ft/s).

The FBI contacted Smith & Wesson and requested it to design a handgun to FBI specifications, based on the existing large-frame Smith & Wesson Model 4506 .45 ACP handgun, that would reliably function with the FBI's reduced-velocity 10 mm ammunition. During this collaboration with the FBI, S&W realized that downsizing the 10mm full power to meet the FBI's medium velocity specification meant less powder and more airspace in the case. They found that by removing the airspace they could shorten the 10mm case enough to fit within their medium-frame 9mm handguns and load it with a 180 gr JHP bullet to produce ballistic performance identical to the FBI's reduced-velocity 10mm cartridge. S&W then teamed with Winchester to produce a new cartridge, the .40 S&W. It uses a small pistol primer whereas the 10mm cartridge uses a large pistol primer.

The .40 S&W cartridge has been popular with law enforcement agencies in the United States, Canada, Australia, and Brazil. While possessing nearly identical accuracy, drift and drop as the 9mm Parabellum, it also has an energy advantage over the 9mm Parabellum and .45 ACP, and with a more manageable recoil than the 10mm Auto cartridge. Marshall & Sanow (and other hydrostatic shock proponents) contend that with good jacketed hollow point bullets, the more energetic loads for the .40 S&W can also create hydrostatic shock in human-sized living targets.

Based on ideal terminal ballistic performance in ordnance gelatin during lab testing in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the .40 S&W earned status as "the ideal cartridge for personal defense and law enforcement". Ballistically the .40 S&W is almost identical to the .38-40 Winchester introduced in 1874, as they share the same bullet diameter and bullet weight, and have similar muzzle velocities.

The energy of the .40 S&W exceeds standard-pressure .45 ACP loadings, generating between 350 foot-pounds and 500 foot-pounds of energy, depending on bullet weight. Both the .40 S&W and the 9mm Parabellum operate at a 35,000 pounds per square inch SAAMI maximum, compared to a 21,000 pounds per square inch maximum for .45 ACP.
Talyn, I really like your cartridge of the week thread, lots of good stuff, thanks for posting them.
 
Talyn, I really like your cartridge of the week thread, lots of good stuff, thanks for posting them.
I’m a fan of the cartridge/week thread too. And this one was a good one !
In reading about it - a lot of which I’d heard in various forms in the other past - it reminded of a minor perplexity of mine: in recent years, the .40 SW seems to have lost some traction/attraction... Any particular reason? It was the thing to have 15 yrs ago...
 
I’m a fan of the cartridge/week thread too. And this one was a good one !
In reading about it - a lot of which I’d heard in various forms in the other past - it reminded of a minor perplexity of mine: in recent years, the .40 SW seems to have lost some traction/attraction... Any particular reason? It was the thing to have 15 yrs ago...
.40 has been slipping in popularity with PD’s for the past 5-10 years, and really accelerated when the FBI switched.

What they were finding out is that modern 9mm loads has the pretty much the same expansion and penetration as .40 loads, that “hydrostatic shock” isn’t really a thing, and—this is the big one—officers made better hits faster with 9mm instead of .40.

Plus, it's cheaper (actually, that might be the biggest factor of all of them, particularly for larger departments).

.40 made sense when 9mm JHP's offered either expansion or penetration, but not both. And while yes, the same bullet technology applies to .40 as well...the differences in expansion were pretty minimal, so bullet performance was pretty much considered a wash.

Officers like the increased capacity, as well.

I don’t think .40 is going to just pretty much disappear like .45GAP, but considering that you don’t see .40’s coming out in new design pistols (you’re not going to see a .40 Hellcat or Sig 365, pretty much guaranteed)...it does not bode well for it. In fact, I’d wager that in 10-20 years, you'll only find a .40 in a used (or New Old Stock) pistol. Same for .357Sig.
 
.40 has been slipping in popularity with PD’s for the past 5-10 years, and really accelerated when the FBI switched.

What they were finding out is that modern 9mm loads has the pretty much the same expansion and penetration as .40 loads, that “hydrostatic shock” isn’t really a thing, and—this is the big one—officers made better hits faster with 9mm instead of .40.

Plus, it's cheaper (actually, that might be the biggest factor of all of them, particularly for larger departments).

.40 made sense when 9mm JHP's offered either expansion or penetration, but not both. And while yes, the same bullet technology applies to .40 as well...the differences in expansion were pretty minimal, so bullet performance was pretty much considered a wash.

Officers like the increased capacity, as well.

I don’t think .40 is going to just pretty much disappear like .45GAP, but considering that you don’t see .40’s coming out in new design pistols (you’re not going to see a .40 Hellcat or Sig 365, pretty much guaranteed)...it does not bode well for it. In fact, I’d wager that in 10-20 years, you'll only find a .40 in a used (or New Old Stock) pistol. Same for .357Sig.
Thank u sir ! Your answer fills in the gaps for me...
I kinda agree that cost was probably a major factor ( and smaller players do indeed follow the big boys ), plus I have a gut feeling the capacity thing was higher on the list than one might’ve expected. Or anyone admit.
One thing: I’ve noticed in the gun world that what goes around often comes around. Your 10-20 yr prediction is probably right but there’s that chance that - somehow some way - in 20 yrs some bright spark will announce something that convinces other influencers in the LE and pistol world that “Wow. The .40 is superior because ______ and _______ ” etc... A’la some new hydro-shock nonsense maybe. And here we’ll go, trading “up” again.

Heck, a case could be made for carrying a David sling and a few pebbles. Get you thru the metal detectors, anyway. (grin)
Either way, the world will turn.
 
Thank u sir ! Your answer fills in the gaps for me...
I kinda agree that cost was probably a major factor ( and smaller players do indeed follow the big boys ), plus I have a gut feeling the capacity thing was higher on the list than one might’ve expected. Or anyone admit.
One thing: I’ve noticed in the gun world that what goes around often comes around. Your 10-20 yr prediction is probably right but there’s that chance that - somehow some way - in 20 yrs some bright spark will announce something that convinces other influencers in the LE and pistol world that “Wow. The .40 is superior because ______ and _______ ” etc... A’la some new hydro-shock nonsense maybe. And here we’ll go, trading “up” again.

Heck, a case could be made for carrying a David sling and a few pebbles. Get you thru the metal detectors, anyway. (grin)
Either way, the world will turn.
If that cyclic thing was really true...the revolver would have made a comeback by now.

The .38 Special was the predominant LE round in the US for nearly 100 years...it's not coming back in duty holsters, either.

No, I think .40 is going to slowly, but steadily lose ground in duty use. Ammo will still be around (I mean, they still make .38-40, .38 S&W, and .30 Luger...) for a long time, fortunately.
 
I’m a fan of the cartridge/week thread too. And this one was a good one !
In reading about it - a lot of which I’d heard in various forms in the other past - it reminded of a minor perplexity of mine: in recent years, the .40 SW seems to have lost some traction/attraction... Any particular reason? It was the thing to have 15 yrs ago...

Thanks also.
 
Marshall and sanow turned out to be gay lovers who packed 25 acp pistols and drank mineral water, thats why they thought the 45 acp was the ultimate manstopper, and gave the 40 s&w such high ratings, and now the 40 is becoming obsolete. Everyone knows their books are bogus.
 
I'll probably catch some flak for this, but the FBI found out their female agents were a bit leery of the .40 because of its slightly higher recoil in their service pistols. Police, too. Many departments have a growing percentage of women among their ranks and most of them are quite recoil sensitive. They just shoot faster and better with their 9s.
I find the .40 to be a bit more snappish than a 9mm myself. Its ballistic performance makes up for that minor flaw, for me.
 
Interesting to me is always about the recoil. I have until my Hellcat purchase fired full size pistols and revolvers. The first hundred rounds I put through my Hellcat were Federal Syntech 124gr. I was so happy how nice and smooth it shot. And accuracy at 20 yards was great considering my first time to the range with the small pistol. I then started on the next hundred rounds of Winchester 124 gr. It got snappy but not uncomfortable. When I checked the ballistics the Federal was 100fps slower than the normal 124gr . As it being my first time shooting a small pistol I found out just how much difference velocity makes. So many times recoil does make the difference in yup I like this or no too hot to handle. But its the ammo that makes so much difference but few look at exactly what they are comparing.
 
I'll probably catch some flak for this, but the FBI found out their female agents were a bit leery of the .40 because of its slightly higher recoil in their service pistols. Police, too. Many departments have a growing percentage of women among their ranks and most of them are quite recoil sensitive. They just shoot faster and better with their 9s.
I find the .40 to be a bit more snappish than a 9mm myself. Its ballistic performance makes up for that minor flaw, for me.
Post a source for that?

Because, at least when I talked to agents in the FBI training cadre at Quantico (ca early-mid 2000’s), there wasn’t such a problem mentioned.

Seems right up there with the apocryphal “10mm was too much for female agents” bull feces tgat gets bandied about frequently…
 
Post a source for that?

Because, at least when I talked to agents in the FBI training cadre at Quantico (ca early-mid 2000’s), there wasn’t such a problem mentioned.

Seems right up there with the apocryphal “10mm was too much for female agents” bull feces tgat gets bandied about frequently…
What do you think the reason the FBI and most LEO agencies switched to 9mm ?

I can answer that. 9mm is easier for a wider percentage of officers, including women and small framed men, to shoot, it's easier to train for recoil mitigation and modern ammo makes the ballistic difference ( which hasn't changed) less of an issue.
 
What do you think the reason the FBI and most LEO agencies switched to 9mm ?

I can answer that. 9mm is easier for a wider percentage of officers, including women and small framed men, to shoot, it's easier to train for recoil mitigation and modern ammo makes the ballistic difference ( which hasn't changed) less of an issue.
Also a lot cheaper, when you figure millions of rounds per year...
 
Also a lot cheaper, when you figure millions of rounds per year...
True enough. Especially compared to .40.

I never was a 9mm guy. Until I got those German pistols. I am still slightly more accurate with my .45s after years of training with them, but I have to admit the gun I am most likely carrying at any given time these days is that VP9. I figured the honeymoon would end at some point. It hasn't.
 
I'd be happy to post a link to the report(s) I had read back some years ago but they don't seem to be on the net anymore. It is called the 'memory hole.' I remember the Obama administration ordering two billion rounds of .40 S&W ammo at one point. (For agencies that suddenly find the caliber inferior to those super effective 9mms.)
Writings that gore the left's oxen often go the way of the dodo bird. I forgot how much rancor a story saying women didn't like recoiling pistols or couldn't shoot them as well hurt the feels of the leftists and make them fly into emotional defenses, up to and including the removal of offending reportage.
The FBI was reduced to claiming a 9mm, at 124 grains, is 'better' than a 180 grain .40 bullet.
Well, of course it is. Let's take our 9s bear hunting, gang.
It's all very political. Now. I knew I shouldn't have thrown it in, but it was reported back then. How Dare I? ;)
They also have sketchy records as pilots flying fighter planes for the military. How bout dat?
 
You know, I'm out of this place. No wonder the same 30 people write all the posts on here.
Enjoy your circle jerk.
 
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