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The .41 Remington Magnum
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The .41 Remington Magnum, .41 Magnum, or 10.4×33mmR as it is known in unofficial metric designation, is a center fire firearms cartridge primarily developed for use in large-frame revolvers, introduced in 1964 by the Remington Arms Company, intended for hunting and law enforcement purposes. In 1963, Elmer Keith and Bill Jordan, with some help from Skeeter Skelton, petitioned Smith & Wesson, Remington, and Norma to produce a pistol and ammunition in .41 caliber which would fall between the extant .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum cartridges in ballistic performance, and at the same time address perceived shortcomings with those loads.

While as early as 1955 Keith had suggested a new, medium-powered ".41 Special" cartridge, this idea was passed over in favor of the higher-powered "Magnum" option, and the Special survives only as a custom wildcat cartridge, bearing roughly the same relation to the .41 Remington Magnum as the .38 Special does to the .357 Magnum and as the .44 Special does to the .44 Magnum. The .357 Magnum suffered from restricted terminal ballistic effectiveness in the early 1960s, as jacketed hollow point bullets were not yet commonly available, and the manufacturer's standard loadings consisted of simple lead bullets. The powerful .44 Magnum, primarily a heavy hunting round, was considered overkill for police use, generating too much recoil for control under rapid fire. In addition, the revolvers chambered for the .44 were considered too large, bulky, and heavy for police to carry.

Keith's original vision called for dual power levels in the .41, a heavy magnum load pushing a 210-grain JHP at a muzzle velocity of 1,300–1,400 feet per second, and a milder police loading which was to send a 200-grain semi-wadcutter downrange at around 900 ft/s. These plans went awry due to an ongoing fascination in the firearms community with high-powered cartridges; Remington was swayed by this community's influence and instead of following Keith's blueprint, chose to emphasize the performance of the new cartridge. As a result, the .41 "Magnum" load was released at an advertised 1,500 ft/s, and even the "light" police loading was introduced with a 210 grain lead semi-wadcutter "warmed up" to about 1,150 ft/s. However, the police load as delivered was regarded as overpowered by most law enforcement agencies, many of whom were still using .38 Special revolvers.

Additionally, Smith & Wesson had simply adapted their large N-frame revolvers for the new cartridge, which did not address size and weight concerns. The Model 58, targeted for the law enforcement market, was introduced on July 10, 1964. Weighing 41 ounces, the Model 58 compared unfavorably with other revolvers available at the time, such as Smith's own 34 ounce Model 10 in .38 Special. These combined factors mostly eliminated the .41 Magnum from consideration for its intended market as a law enforcement firearm, although it continued to be touted as such and was adopted by a few law enforcement agencies. Ultimately, the greater round capacities of most semi-automatic, magazine fed handguns has eclipsed the traditional six-shot revolver for law enforcement work.

Smith & Wesson produced a high-end, premium revolver in .41 Magnum, the Model 57, almost identical to the .44 Magnum-chambered Model 29. Magnum Research's Desert Eagle division produced a .41 Remington Magnum in their semi-automatic Mark VII. Sturm Ruger began producing their Blackhawk series single-action revolver in the mid-1960s in .41 Magnum and is still in production today. A couple of manufacturers have produced lever-action rifles chambered in .41 Magnum.

The .41 Magnum never enjoyed the popularity and success of either the .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum cartridges, but is still prized by handgun hunters as some feel it generates somewhat lighter recoil and slightly flatter bullet trajectory at long range than the .44. Nevertheless, the .44 Magnum still catalogs a greater variety of heavier bullet weight offerings which are more effective on larger game, and boast a slight edge in power when using the heaviest factory loads, or if pushed to the edge by handloading (heavier bullets or bullets of different types). Marshall and Sanow called the .41 Magnum "one of our most unappreciated calibers".
 
I own a couple .41’s, both S&W 657’s...one 7.5” “Deluxe Hunter” and a Performance Center 3”...great pistols, both of them.

And the most certainly do have less recoil than a .44 Mag
pushing a similar load. Don't know if it's because the .41 is slightly heavier...but they just do.

I've sold several of my .44’s the past couple years, will probably end up with one S&W 629 and my original Anaconda...but the .41’s stay as hunting and hiking guns.
 
Colt made a very limited run of 41 Mag Anacondas so it would be great if the new Colt/CZ did another run of them again.
That would be cool, but...

I good 29/629 (or 57/657) has, imho, a
much better trigger than an Anaconda. The King Cobra action (which the Anaconda was based on) is simply nowhere near as smooth as the Pythons, which are about the only revolvers that can top an N-frame (without getting into Korths, etc...).

Maybe the new ones are better? Haven’t played with a new model Anaconda, but I know the new model Pythons aren’t as slick as the originals.
 
I see the 41 magnums as a solution to a problem that never really existed.

The 44 Special will do everything the 38 will do and more. In a medium/heavy frame revolver, the 44 Special kicks far less than either the 357 Magnum or 41 Magnum and has a proven history of killing bugs dead.

History shows the midrange/hot 40 caliber (i.e., 40 S&W) is dying a slow death as it is replaced (for those who want more power) by the hot Nines or they just step up to the 45 ACP. The primary use for the 41 Magnum was, like the 10mm Auto, more power for extended range shooting.

A buddy of mine had a TC Contender in 41 Magnum that was a fire breather, and it did shoot like a laser. He also had a barrel in 357 Maximum that did the same with lighter projectiles.

What ever happened to the 357 Maximum?

It is lying in a cold grave right next to the 41 only to be remembered fondly on holidays and at Halloween (you know, when the dead spirits rise). By the way, I saw there is fresh digging right between the 41Mag and 357 Max intended for the 40 S&W. As police department retire their 40s and swing back to the nines, the 40 will become another victim of stupid marketing.

The brass is still out there for all of the above and new revolvers are still for sale; however, I don’t believe they are going like proverbial hotcakes.

I cannot remember the last time the 41 Magnum came up in a discussion at the Gun Shop or elsewhere.
 
I see the 41 magnums as a solution to a problem that never really existed.

The 44 Special will do everything the 38 will do and more. In a medium/heavy frame revolver, the 44 Special kicks far less than either the 357 Magnum or 41 Magnum and has a proven history of killing bugs dead.

History shows the midrange/hot 40 caliber (i.e., 40 S&W) is dying a slow death as it is replaced (for those who want more power) by the hot Nines or they just step up to the 45 ACP. The primary use for the 41 Magnum was, like the 10mm Auto, more power for extended range shooting.

A buddy of mine had a TC Contender in 41 Magnum that was a fire breather, and it did shoot like a laser. He also had a barrel in 357 Maximum that did the same with lighter projectiles.

What ever happened to the 357 Maximum?

It is lying in a cold grave right next to the 41 only to be remembered fondly on holidays and at Halloween (you know, when the dead spirits rise). By the way, I saw there is fresh digging right between the 41Mag and 357 Max intended for the 40 S&W. As police department retire their 40s and swing back to the nines, the 40 will become another victim of stupid marketing.

The brass is still out there for all of the above and new revolvers are still for sale; however, I don’t believe they are going like proverbial hotcakes.

I cannot remember the last time the 41 Magnum came up in a discussion at the Gun Shop or elsewhere.
.357 Max was also notoriously hard on revolvers; flame cutting issues were pretty much universal...that round was just plain overbore.

And given the choice between, say, a 3” 629 shooting .44 specials and my 657 running a mid-range round like the Winchester Silvertip?

I'll take that .41. Recoil is pretty much the same, but the .41 has devastating results.

And, considering Ruger just brought back the .41 in their Redhawk series a few years ago...might be something to it. It'd be sweet to S&W bring in an L-frame .41 similar to their model 69 .44 mag.
 
According to my brief searches, Ruger is also producing the 41 in the New Model Blackhawk as well.

Winchester’s stats for their Silvertip loads say:

41 Magnum: 175 grain projectile @ 1250 fps = 607 ft. lbs. muzzle energy

44 Special: 200 grain projectile @ 900 fps = 360 ft. lbs. muzzle energy



When fired from identically weighted platforms, I believe Sir Newton would say the 41 probably recoils considerably more. Of course, different platforms of differing weights would generate different felt recoil levels.

I have a straight stocked Winchester Model 94 in 44 Magnum that is decidedly unpleasant to play with. It is relatively light, and everything generated by the combustion and recoil impulse is directed right into the operator’s shoulder and cheek…not fun at all. Whereas those same rounds fired from the Ruger Number 1 are pussycats.

If ya have a 41 and you like how it behaves, congratulations!

I also learned Elmer Keith initially wanted the 41 to be loaded with a 200-grain projectile at 900 fps. That load would be identical to the 44 Special Winchester Silvertip, power-wise with better penetration.

That would be a cat of a different colour.
 
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