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Chances of New Federal Gun Restrictions?

FFL holders must report the sale of two or more handguns if they occur at the same time or within five consecutive business days of each other. In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas, but I'm not sure if the 5-day rule applies for rifles. FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:
  • Semiautomatic rifles
  • Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
  • Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines
I wonder if this rule was followed in this case.
 
I to agree with what’s been said here about being 21 to purchase a long gun, but, you know this administration and the left won’t stop there, with the help of some on the right, I don’t have a very good feeling on this. They won’t do anything about the real issues, mental health and the surging crime rate, instead they go after guns and the law abiding.
 
Recusant said:
FFL holders must report the sale of two or more handguns if they occur at the same time or within five consecutive business days of each other. In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas, but I'm not sure if the 5-day rule applies for rifles. FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:
  • Semiautomatic rifles
  • Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
  • Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines
I wonder if this rule was followed in this case.
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From what I have seen from reputable FFL's in Texas, they follow all of the reporting rules religiously. Unfortunately, this particular rule is a "feel-good" law at best. An FFL only knows which guns you have purchased or transferred through that particular FFL. FFL's do not have access to purchases or transfers made through other FFL's. There is a question on the background check form asking the purchaser if they have made any such purchases in the last five days, but the FFL is reliant on the buyer to answer truthfully (similar to the question about illegal drug use or addiction).

I am not an FFL, so this may not be 100% accurate, but one of my FFL's told me that the ATF is notified of each purchase. The ATF then pursues federal charges against a dishonest purchaser for lying on a government form in order to obtain a firearm, if they discover the discrepancy. This process takes time, and does nothing to stop or delay the sale, so it will have no effect on any attack conducted soon after the purchase is made. As always, I am open to correction by more knowledgeable users.
 
wmg1299 said:
It has become obvious that the recent tragedies in Buffalo and Uvalde have kicked the "we need to do something" crowd into high gear. I expect a great deal of new "proposed" legislation at the Federal level. While the usual suspects will continue to demand a ban on "Assault Weapons" and "High (i.e. standard) Capacity" magazines, my gut tells me that neither of these stand a chance of passing.

If I had to guess, I think that it is a legitimate possibility that Congress will raise the age for the purchase of semi-automatic rifles to 21 (with a possible exception for members of the military). While I doubt that preventing a 19 year-old from buying a Ruger 10-22 will make anyone any safer, I worry that this type of restriction may be palatable to enough lawmakers to pass. What are your thoughts on the likelihood that we see new restrictions on the 2nd Amendment in the upcoming months? I was too young/ignorant to pay attention to the 1994 AWB, and am interested to know the thoughts of my elders who observed the entire process.
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We don’t have a gun problem, we have a culture problem. I have said it for years and a Federalist article stated it clearer than I have ever been able to articulate. No law will fix a culture that does not Value human life.
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A Culture That Celebrates Dismembering Children In The Womb Can’t Understand Why It’s Afflicted With Mass Shootings”​

 
HansGruber said:
Raising the age to 21 and UBC would have likely prevented both Buffalo and Uvalde, as the shooters were 18 in both cases…the Uvalde shooter bought both of his rifles at a gun store, so definitely there.

Don’t mistake this for agreeing with the laws, but facts are facts.
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Well they may have. There was a pretty high profile case where a 17 year old used an AR recently no?

People planning on shooting up a school are highly unlikely to be thwarted by guns being illegal. It would be MUCH more effective to have just locked the door.
 
Not that anyone asked...18,19 & 20 yo's are common ages for university students. University students often live in apartments near campus. Those students need the ability to legally sign leases in order to secure housing. They theoretically could have their parents do it, but not all have access to their parents (dead, no longer in contact, in conflict with, etc.). Some campuses are near or in bad parts of town, and previously mentioned apartments might be in those same bad parts of town. I am unwilling to support the removal of those 18-20 yo's constitutional rights to protect themselves in their homes (or anywhere else). "Shall not be infringed" means something to me. Fix the other contributing factors to mass shootings.
 
Annihilator said:
I to agree with what’s been said here about being 21 to purchase a long gun, but, you know this administration and the left won’t stop there, with the help of some on the right, I don’t have a very good feeling on this. They won’t do anything about the real issues, mental health and the surging crime rate, instead they go after guns and the law abiding.
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The problem with getting on top of the mental health problem is multi-layered. We all talk about your rights, but guess who have rights too? People with mental issues. There are a frightening number of sociopathic and psychopathic people walking the streets in every town in the United States who never become a problem to society and there is no magic test/signal that indicates which ones are going to be a problem. And even if you could do that. Who pays for that? Are we ok with putting our taxes up in order to fund better national mental health? Or is that Socialism and we don’t want any part of that? What if a surcharge was added to every assault rifle (don’t lecture me over that) to go towards some sort of preventive policy? And how do you deal with any of that when your Governor cuts $300 million from the state mental health budget to go to The Wall. Until we collectively come together to come up with lasting solutions and compromise on BOTH sides things will never change. For transparency my wife is Director of Psychology for a major state mental hospital here in North Texas.
 
SimonRL said:
The problem with getting on top of the mental health problem is multi-layered. We all talk about your rights, but guess who have rights too? People with mental issues. There are a frightening number of sociopathic and psychopathic people walking the streets in every town in the United States who never become a problem to society and there is no magic test/signal that indicates which ones are going to be a problem.
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you are absolutely correct sir...

even those individuals with a mental deficiency have rights too.

however, maybe perhaps some sort of screening in school to determine one's mental state of mind.

like in at least 3rd grade, then maybe 8th grade, then maybe 11th/12th grade?

schools have at least one guidance counselor, or nurse, even in some areas a resource officer, that can help in some way to "see" the potential problems in someone. simple in school questioning alone can be done, then if a problem is spotted, the child be sent to a specialist.

at first, this can be done on the school's budget, (for the professionals opinion) after that, the parent(s), legal guardian, can take accountability for continued counseling and or starting a medication to keep that child under control.
 
to my posting, as an example, if a child is hitting others, spitting on them, throwing things, maybe playing with matches, and anything else "strange behavior" while on school grounds???

take him (or her) into an office and start asking questions.

in higher grades....wearing all black?? maybe camo..?? maybe displaying wanting to be alone or argumentative..??

these are just a few warning signs.

screw this crap about sending a social worker to a hostage situation, or anything else with a cop, that crap don't work.
 
SimonRL said:
The problem with getting on top of the mental health problem is multi-layered. We all talk about your rights, but guess who have rights too? People with mental issues. There are a frightening number of sociopathic and psychopathic people walking the streets in every town in the United States who never become a problem to society and there is no magic test/signal that indicates which ones are going to be a problem. And even if you could do that. Who pays for that? Are we ok with putting our taxes up in order to fund better national mental health? Or is that Socialism and we don’t want any part of that? What if a surcharge was added to every assault rifle (don’t lecture me over that) to go towards some sort of preventive policy? And how do you deal with any of that when your Governor cuts $300 million from the state mental health budget to go to The Wall. Until we collectively come together to come up with lasting solutions and compromise on BOTH sides things will never change. For transparency my wife is Director of Psychology for a major state mental hospital here in North Texas.
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I don't know, is highway funding, fire departments, Social Security and 911 service socialism ? You have to remember that decently funded mental health services in this country DID exist not too damn long ago. It was defunded. Apparently congress doesn't think it's as important as Midnight Basketball and endless wars in countries that most of us don't care about.

As for some of the intrusive and frankly unconstitutional methods being thrown around here to determine who has mental health issues, maybe it would be better to actually fund mental health services again and see what that does before we go back to the 1890s and start locking people up because we don't like their clothes and they don't interact with society enough or in the way we would like.

We should also remember that if we allow a single judge, or worse a pissed off neighbor, to get your 2A rights suspended or revoked, the rest of your rights are up for grabs as well. ;)
 
Doubtless there will be a big push for more "common sense gun control". I disagree with anything that restricts the rights of anyone who is of legal age, but can understand the logic for restricting long gun purchases to those over 21. While you can argue that this could have impacted Buffalo and Uvalde, there isn't any guarantee. After all, these two could have obtained firearms illegally. I don't think that adding a firearms violation on would have deterred either of those people who intended to commit murder.

The pro 2A citizens need to be VERY concerned about proposed "red flag" laws. The potential for abuse of this type of statute is off the charts. The unconstitutional principles enshrined in this type of law should terrify every freedom loving American. The concepts involved in this tyranny undermine and overturn the fundamental underpinnings of our justice system.

The presumption of innocence will be gone. Due process will be eliminated. The right to confront your accuser will be voided. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure will no longer be in existence. In essence, under red flag laws, an anonymous individual can lodge a complaint that they think you may be dangerous and the process will steamroll your rights based on the suspicion of one person.

This is where we need to stand up and say HELL NO. We can expect to be called every thing from those who favor child murder to Nazis and everything in between. This is the natural position of those on the left; when you can't win on reason and fact, call them names.

Give them a victory in this area, and you can expect to see more law overturning our protections afforded us under the Constitution. The cost is too great to lose this fight.
 
Bassbob said:
I don't know, is highway funding, fire departments, Social Security and 911 service socialism ? You have to remember that decently funded mental health services in this country DID exist not too damn long ago. It was defunded. Apparently congress doesn't think it's as important as Midnight Basketball and endless wars in countries that most of us don't care about.

As for some of the intrusive and frankly unconstitutional methods being thrown around here to determine who has mental health issues, maybe it would be better to actually fund mental health services again and see what that does before we go back to the 1890s and start locking people up because we don't like their clothes and they don't interact with society enough or in the way we would like.

We should also remember that if we allow a single judge, or worse a pissed off neighbor, to get your 2A rights suspended or revoked, the rest of your rights are up for grabs as well. ;)
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Well, the problem is that we have a lot of the mentally ill homeless on the street that refuse to take meds. You have a lot of individuals out there who refuse to take their meds. You also have the issue with them over medicating kids as well. We have gotten to this point because we have taken the "soft" approach.

If they want to raise the age to purchase firearms, and do other things as well, then everything else is fair game. For decades we have been the ones compromising our rights away in the name of "rationality, and sensibility." It is time for us to challenge them. Let's put everything on the table. They were talking about lowering the age to 16 to vote? Don't think so. We need to raise the age for everything to 21. I understand that this will create some hardships, especially for those college students. Well, they have skin in the game as well. Are they willing to give up all those things mentioned for the cause? Are they willing to not be able to sign a lease, sign a rental car agreement, get a credit card, etc, and not be able to vote until they are considered adult enough? Is the left going to willingly give up their chance at getting more power by not allowing 16 year olds to vote? For decades none of these individuals have really given up ANYTHING to advance their agenda restricting our 2nd Amendment. Time for that to change. It is time to put up or shut up. If they truly believe that no Amendment is absolute, it is time to call them out on that. They believe in restrictions on the 2nd, let's propose restrictions on the others and see how they react. We have never challenged them on this. It is time we did.
 
Americans need to be reminded that there are more than 10 Amendments, and exactly what they are. The left constantly claims that the Constitution is "outdated and racist". Americans need to be reminded of just how relevant it is and up to date it really is. They need to have their memory refreshed as to just how important the Constitution and the Bill of Rights really is and how it directly effects their lives.
 
Blackmesa96 said:
Doubtless there will be a big push for more "common sense gun control". I disagree with anything that restricts the rights of anyone who is of legal age, but can understand the logic for restricting long gun purchases to those over 21. While you can argue that this could have impacted Buffalo and Uvalde, there isn't any guarantee. After all, these two could have obtained firearms illegally. I don't think that adding a firearms violation on would have deterred either of those people who intended to commit murder.

The pro 2A citizens need to be VERY concerned about proposed "red flag" laws. The potential for abuse of this type of statute is off the charts. The unconstitutional principles enshrined in this type of law should terrify every freedom loving American. The concepts involved in this tyranny undermine and overturn the fundamental underpinnings of our justice system.

The presumption of innocence will be gone. Due process will be eliminated. The right to confront your accuser will be voided. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure will no longer be in existence. In essence, under red flag laws, an anonymous individual can lodge a complaint that they think you may be dangerous and the process will steamroll your rights based on the suspicion of one person.

This is where we need to stand up and say HELL NO. We can expect to be called every thing from those who favor child murder to Nazis and everything in between. This is the natural position of those on the left; when you can't win on reason and fact, call them names.

Give them a victory in this area, and you can expect to see more law overturning our protections afforded us under the Constitution. The cost is too great to lose this fight.
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In most states a judge can issue a temporary detention order and the person in question can be held for a psych eval, while LE does a threat assessment. In time the detainee is brought before a judge for a hearing to determine what course if any action should be taken. The makes more sense than many red flag laws currently in effect.
 
Chances are good, very good for an executive order, but its all about timing and amount of partisanship ("I've got a Pen and I've got a Phone™️).

Lawlessness is the epidemic thats so overlooked, actually ignored by those write and bastardize those very laws. No accountability. Regardless of the law or casualty, theres now so called inequalities and inequities that impede civil society, prosperity. Can’t rely on what some call “Commonsense Gun Laws” (e.g. Chicago, NYC, LA, Baltimore and NJ).

There’s a whole other epidemic… corruption in healthcare, particularly another “talking“ point ailment - mental health. A recent former mayor put his inept spouse in charge of a new improved, +1 billion dollar mental health initiative in 2020 which amounted to paying high salaries and doling out grants to cronies social programs. Is NYC any better today with that Thrive program 2 yrs in?

There’s the argument that raising the age to 21 for firearm purchase is ludicrous because 18 yr olds can join the military. Well if that’s the case, those military trained 18 yr olds once honorably discharged can make their purchase at 21. I see no problem raising age of consent. If an 18 yr old is not responsible enough to buy a firearm, tobacco, booze then what makes that one sharp enough to chose college, combat training or even a politicIan?

Mental health detentions are way down, almost nonexistent, not sure when but these facilities were closing up back in the mid-90’s and focused on a holistic outpatient approach…and meds. Juvenile and Adult justice reforms made detentions are especially rare. If only the powers to be weren’t such BS’er and admit these failures.

Quick note about psych eval…if e/r triage gets any grief from a ”client” and “client” refuses, the “client“ is allowed to walk out, provided a crime has not been committed. So act up on a train, plane or sidewalk sure these folk may agree to go for a ride to the hospital but they’re not obligated to stay. It was 3 day stay if admitted, voluntary or adjudged.

Another argument was that at 18 yrs the human brain is not at full development. Who’s to say what’s developed normal these days…?
Parental responsibility is also ignored. Bad kids growing up to be bad adults. Every family can have a bad apple or not. Red flags won’t fix the problem, but it sounds like someone is “doing something“. Heck, they can’t even keep kids in school or off the streets at night in some big cities. Only the most serious, sensational, politically beneficial cases ever get brought to light and see meaningful repercussions.

Youth influences have long come from entertainment choice sources, these days behavior is further influenced from social media. Remember when cyber-bullying was a thing? Social media enterprise comes away scot-free again. Media in general simply instigate rather than report facts.
 
Area52 said:
Chances are good, very good for an executive order, but its all about timing and amount of partisanship ("I've got a Pen and I've got a Phone™️).

Lawlessness is the epidemic thats so overlooked, actually ignored by those write and bastardize those very laws. No accountability. Regardless of the law or casualty, theres now so called inequalities and inequities that impede civil society, prosperity. Can’t rely on what some call “Commonsense Gun Laws” (e.g. Chicago, NYC, LA, Baltimore and NJ).

There’s a whole other epidemic… corruption in healthcare, particularly another “talking“ point ailment - mental health. A recent former mayor put his inept spouse in charge of a new improved, +1 billion dollar mental health initiative in 2020 which amounted to paying high salaries and doling out grants to cronies social programs. Is NYC any better today with that Thrive program 2 yrs in?

There’s the argument that raising the age to 21 for firearm purchase is ludicrous because 18 yr olds can join the military. Well if that’s the case, those military trained 18 yr olds once honorably discharged can make their purchase at 21. I see no problem raising age of consent. If an 18 yr old is not responsible enough to buy a firearm, tobacco, booze then what makes that one sharp enough to chose college, combat training or even a politicIan?

Mental health detentions are way down, almost nonexistent, not sure when but these facilities were closing up back in the mid-90’s and focused on a holistic outpatient approach…and meds. Juvenile and Adult justice reforms made detentions are especially rare. If only the powers to be weren’t such BS’er and admit these failures.

Quick note about psych eval…if e/r triage gets any grief from a ”client” and “client” refuses, the “client“ is allowed to walk out, provided a crime has not been committed. So act up on a train, plane or sidewalk sure these folk may agree to go for a ride to the hospital but they’re not obligated to stay. It was 3 day stay if admitted, voluntary or adjudged.

Another argument was that at 18 yrs the human brain is not at full development. Who’s to say what’s developed normal these days…?
Parental responsibility is also ignored. Bad kids growing up to be bad adults. Every family can have a bad apple or not. Red flags won’t fix the problem, but it sounds like someone is “doing something“. Heck, they can’t even keep kids in school or off the streets at night in some big cities. Only the most serious, sensational, politically beneficial cases ever get brought to light and see meaningful repercussions.

Youth influences have long come from entertainment choice sources, these days behavior is further influenced from social media. Remember when cyber-bullying was a thing? Social media enterprise comes away scot-free again. Media in general simply instigate rather than report facts.
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One thing to remember, they can only do certain things with executive orders on gun issues, Congress are the only ones that can make laws on this, even though this current administration thinks they can do whatever they want, they can’t.
 
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