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Concealed carry

The Night Rider said:
But your Constitutional Rights don't override my Rights as a property owner.
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I have a caveat on that.
My house = my private property and unless I specifically let you in, you ain't coming in therefore my rights supersede.

My business that is generally open to the public = your rights supersede.

I can choose not to let anyone I want into my house, but I can't choose to exclude someone out of my business
 
PAGunGuy said:
I have a caveat on that.
My house = my private property and unless I specifically let you in, you ain't coming in therefore my rights supersede.

My business that is generally open to the public = your rights supersede.

I can choose not to let anyone I want into my house, but I can't choose to exclude someone out of my business
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Not necessarily true about a business, at least in Texas. With the proper signage, you can be denied entry to a business in Texas, no matter how you are carrying, as in constitutional carry, licensed carry, open carry, concealed carry.
 
Welcome from eastern Ohio, now you don’t need a license to carry in Ohio, but I keep mine up cause there are certain areas where unless you do have your license, you can’t carry there, plus I keep mine to carry in other states the recognize my license, plus also in Ohio you just use it on firearm purchases.
 
PAGunGuy said:
My business that is generally open to the public = your rights supersede.
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No, no they don't. Have you not noticed the signs on businesses that say no shoes no shirt no service? They absolutely have a right to keep people out. In Colorado Springs if you walk past the gun Buster sign with a gun and you get caught you can be cited for first degree criminal trespass. So the law would seem to indicate that your personal rights don't supersede on my property.
PAGunGuy said:
I can choose not to let anyone I want into my house, but I can't choose to exclude someone out of my business
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Again you can absolutely choose to exclude someone from your business have you never seen the signs posted that say we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason?
 
OldGrunt said:
Not necessarily true about a business, at least in Texas. With the proper signage, you can be denied entry to a business in Texas, no matter how you are carrying, as in constitutional carry, licensed carry, open carry, concealed carry.
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Yep, you can also not allow entry for 'No Shirt', 'No Shoes', and other various circumstances. Many/most of these are based on various circumstances and/or statutes. But I think the original poster who mentioned his private property was talking about his home. Not speaking for him, just an observation as I read the thread.
 
jumpinjoe said:
. But I think the original poster who mentioned his private property was talking about his home. Not speaking for him, just an observation as I read the thread.
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PAGunGuy said:
My business that is generally open to the public = your rights supersede.

I can choose not to let anyone I want into my house, but I can't choose to exclude someone out of my business
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Nope he very clearly was not
 
This got way too complicated.

I wasn't talking about what various laws actually are

I am saying that there shouldn't be laws allowing businesses to permit people form carrying


A business can't deny access to someone because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, etc...guns shouldn't be any different

The Catholics refusing to bake a cake is different, it's baking the cake that's the issue, not them coming into the store
 
The Night Rider said:
But your Constitutional Rights don't override my Rights as a property owner.
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OK, I apologize, I was not clear. Private property is not the issue for me. Trespass and you may get shot. Protect your property. I was referring to Businesses who have signs about no guns. If you own the building you can Trespass someone. However, if you only own the contents, you cannot. ALSO, It's discrimination if you allow the public in for commerce and stop someone just because they carry. That will stand in court. Sorry for my inclearity.
 
Scottish Warrior said:
Opinions welcomed. Criminals don't care about the law, so why are the law abiding citizens of America having to pay for a "permit" to conceal carry?. I refuse to pay someone to tell me I can conceal when they run background checks to buy a gun. It's Unconstitutional.
In North Carolina you can open carry with no permit, no background check, classes, finger printing or charge. To conceal you pay about $200.00, take an 8 hour class, finger printed and background check. What about this makes any sense?. Are other states like this?.
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How many times have you been stopped and searched for no wrong-doing? Same applies when you’re carrying a firearm. I live in a deep blue state and I treat it like it is constitutional carry. Do nothing wrong and the only way they will find out you’re *illegally* carrying a firearm is by unlawful search & seizure. Play your cards right.
 
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