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Could deer hunters with modern day rifles have made a difference at the Alamo?

He shouldn't have been surprised or vindictive because he knew the system. The term "Brevet" is temporary in nature and once the conflict is over most were reduced back to their permanent rank. Custer was a Brevet Major General and then reduced to his permanent rank of Lt. Col. In WWII, there were "theater promotions" to accomplish the same thing. Massive numbers of units were generated and the leadership requirements ballooned. Once the war was over, most reverted back to their permanent rank or went back to civilian life.
Of course he knew the system ... and he resented the system that caused him to be returned to his original rank. In his mind, he was special and should never have been demoted and spent much time and effort trying to vindicate himself.
 
Of course he knew the system ... and he resented the system that caused him to be returned to his original rank. In his mind, he was special and should never have been demoted and spent much time and effort trying to vindicate himself.
Can you cite any of this?

Because none of this comes out even in his book My Life On The Plains.

What are you basing this on?
 
I'm basing this on primarily readings of long ago, (I'm currently 77) but also with a big helping of logic and common sense when considering the writers and the times they were written. For you to say "none of this comes out of his book, 'My Life on the Plains," is a great example of what I'm trying to say. It should be pretty obvious I'm a pragmatic individual.

I'm done!
 
Can you cite any of this?

Because none of this comes out even in his book My Life On The Plains.

What are you basing this on?
Well, Benteen did call it “My Lie On The Plains”. Put yourself in Custer’s place. Youngest General during the Civil War, lauded by Sheridan, then reduced to LTC. I am sure he thought that was an insult. The CO of the 7th, Sturgis spent most of his time away from the regiment and left Custer in virtual charge. In my opinion, Custer was a better leader than Merritt and the equal of McKensie. A cav Officer is supposed to be daring, to seek out trouble and Custer did that. Maybe if Crook had sent messengers to notify Terry that he had met with a large number of hostile s, things would have been different. Or if Crook had handled his troops better at the Rosebud. Lots of variables, but fate took charge and things went very wrong.
 
Well, Benteen did call it “My Lie On The Plains”. Put yourself in Custer’s place. Youngest General during the Civil War, lauded by Sheridan, then reduced to LTC. I am sure he thought that was an insult. The CO of the 7th, Sturgis spent most of his time away from the regiment and left Custer in virtual charge. In my opinion, Custer was a better leader than Merritt and the equal of McKensie. A cav Officer is supposed to be daring, to seek out trouble and Custer did that. Maybe if Crook had sent messengers to notify Terry that he had met with a large number of hostile s, things would have been different. Or if Crook had handled his troops better at the Rosebud. Lots of variables, but fate took charge and things went very wrong.
I don't see anything in this to support the speculation that Custer was "bittter" about being reduced in rank to Lieutenant Colonel after the war. A grade reduction he knew beyond any doubt was coming.
 
I don't see anything in this to support the speculation that Custer was "bittter" about being reduced in rank to Lieutenant Colonel after the war. A grade reduction he knew beyond any doubt was coming.
But, I imagine he was hoping for a jump up on his real rank, as had happened to others. BTW, not everyone thinks Custer was an asshole. While I was infantry branch, I knew a number of cav and armor officers. None of them thought so and the cav officers were quick to defend him. I realize that in this woke age, Garryowen is an ‘evil’ song but 30-40 years ago, it was the prevailing thought that bad luck had finally eliminated Custer’s Luck.
 
Could you name even one source ?
No, that was probably 60+ years ago and I was never a big fan of GA Armstrong's anyway. Just out of curiosity, are you somehow a long, lost relative of him? It's hard to imagine anyone who would or could not see any faults lying with the man himself. He had a very high opinion og himself, and it cost a lot of good men their lives. C'mon man, read and understand through the haze!
 
Just out of curiosity, are you somehow a long, lost relative of him?
Not related, not a fan so much either.

I served with two or three people who were, none by direct descent of course. I can't say that they were particularly "Fans" of Custer but they understood that they had a "Name" to live up to

It's hard to imagine anyone who would or could not see any faults lying with the man himself.
Who wont or can't see any faults in the man ? He was a Democrat. He was Racist AF. He was a philanderer. He was a hypocrite. He demanded things of his men that he wasn't willing to do himself. He wasn't a very good tactician. He was kind of a dud at West Point
He had a very high opinion og himself, and it cost a lot of good men their lives.
The same could be said for Patton or McArthur.
C'mon man, read and understand through the haze!
What am I reading and understanding? I mean, I've read a bunch of books about Custer. He was certainly bucking for promotion, but again what Army officer isn't?

But I've never read a single book or even a single line in a book that stated or even implied then he was butthurt about being demoted to Lieutenant Colonel.

And that's a really specific charge. If it were true don't you think one of these Scholars that has written books about him would have come out and said it?
 
I read a book series I think it was called The Time Warriors back in the '90s.

In one of the books they went back to the Alamo and six guys with M16s turned the course of the whole battle.

After the battle they come back to our time and they look at the history books and find out that 2 weeks after they won the original Battle of the Alamo and left Santa Ana brought up reinforcements and basically massacred the entire Garrison just like what happened in the original history.

The whole point of the story was that some things were just meant to happen.

In another one of the stories one of their team essentially desserts in time and goes back to the Civil War and essentially tells Lee every place where the South is going to screw up and lose the war.

He changes history to where the South wins the Civil War and when the team returns to our present time we find out that the South winning the Civil War cause the Allies to lose the Second World War and Hitler and the Nazis now Run the World.

There's a lesson in there if you look for it.
Yes, I am aware that I'm responding to myself.

Oddly enough, the series ended with the time team being sent back to The Little Bighorn.

They were supposed to have won and helped Custer become the Democratic nominee for president (which we know is historically inaccurate because the Democratic nominee for president had already been decided before Custer began that campaign).

The book ended with the time team being wiped out in another one of those incidents that was just meant to be.
 
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But, I imagine he was hoping for a jump up on his real rank, as had happened to others. BTW, not everyone thinks Custer was an asshole. While I was infantry branch, I knew a number of cav and armor officers. None of them thought so and the cav officers were quick to defend him. I realize that in this woke age, Garryowen is an ‘evil’ song but 30-40 years ago, it was the prevailing thought that bad luck had finally eliminated Custer’s Luck.


Well, given the facts that we all know to be true about all the "Indian fighting cavalry officers", you know, all that attacking sleeping villages of mostly women and and children and then claiming they were attacked and heroically whipped the Indians stuff. Which is pretty well documented and even if it wasn't, you have to think that the US Army with the then modern weaponry by all rights should have been able to roll right over the dramatically underarmed savages, yet somehow they couldn't. Those guys. They were all A holes and frankly anyone who thinks they weren't has got to be an A hole themselves. If you believe the "Manifest destiny" bullshite and that the Indians were the "Bad guys", well, I will refrain from actually spelling out my opinion of you since it likely will invoke confrontation and run afoul of forum rules.

And before you respond @3L120, this was not directed to you or anyone specifically so please don't take it the wrong way.
 
Well…I have been called a lot worse in my time. But a couple of things to bring to mind. One, I was a Marine Lt., a FO, for my tour in the Nam, discharged as a Captain. Three years in the Reserves as a Naval Gunfire Liaison Officer. Riffed out because I had been on active duty and the Reserves were awash in officers seeking to keep out of the Nam. Later missed the military and joined the Army Guard; serving as a Mech Infantry Company Commander and Headquarters Commandant. Later, I was an Infantry Officer Advanced Course Instructor, IG, and Provost Marshal. I was due to get my battalion when I was injured and retired from my civilian job, LAPD. I graduated from the Army Command and General Staff Course. I mention all this foldetal just to show that I have some experience in the military. Not really expertise, but some knowledge . On the fight for the American country, to be, there were atrocities on both sides. Prior to the 70s, especially after Dee Williams wrote ‘Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee’ the emphasis shifted from Bad Indian to Bad Soldier. In the Old West, in the 1800s, it was Lo, the Indian,. The farther East you went, the nicer the Indians were perceived. Folks in the West had a much different perspective than the person in Boston. While there were Infantry units n the West, they mostly protected static areas, or, if in an operation lagged behind the horse soldiers.. all the real fighting was done by the various cavalry units, who followed out their orders to the best of their ability. Yes they killed Indians, but then the Indians killed them, also. If the Indians had been left alone, anywhere from Manhattan Island to Puget Sound, the USA would not be here. The Indian Nations would still be hunting Buffalo where are now cities and farms! Unfortunately history ended up being what it did. About all I have to say on the matter, I tend to back the officers and men who were there and had to do the fighting.
 
But you didn't claim a smidgen of Common Sense and logic as a source
Well, actually that's exactly what I did claim way back in msg #64 when I wrote this in answer to your question: "I'm basing this on primarily readings of long ago, (I'm currently 77) but also with a big helping of logic and common sense when considering the writers and the times they were written. And the fact you've never read a book nor a single line in a book about him being arrogant and/or butt hurt has you totally convinced it didn't happen. C'mon man, try using some of that logic and common sense you seem to think I'm lacking.

Are we done here now?
 
Well…I have been called a lot worse in my time. But a couple of things to bring to mind. One, I was a Marine Lt., a FO, for my tour in the Nam, discharged as a Captain. Three years in the Reserves as a Naval Gunfire Liaison Officer. Riffed out because I had been on active duty and the Reserves were awash in officers seeking to keep out of the Nam. Later missed the military and joined the Army Guard; serving as a Mech Infantry Company Commander and Headquarters Commandant. Later, I was an Infantry Officer Advanced Course Instructor, IG, and Provost Marshal. I was due to get my battalion when I was injured and retired from my civilian job, LAPD. I graduated from the Army Command and General Staff Course. I mention all this foldetal just to show that I have some experience in the military. Not really expertise, but some knowledge . On the fight for the American country, to be, there were atrocities on both sides. Prior to the 70s, especially after Dee Williams wrote ‘Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee’ the emphasis shifted from Bad Indian to Bad Soldier. In the Old West, in the 1800s, it was Lo, the Indian,. The farther East you went, the nicer the Indians were perceived. Folks in the West had a much different perspective than the person in Boston. While there were Infantry units n the West, they mostly protected static areas, or, if in an operation lagged behind the horse soldiers.. all the real fighting was done by the various cavalry units, who followed out their orders to the best of their ability. Yes they killed Indians, but then the Indians killed them, also. If the Indians had been left alone, anywhere from Manhattan Island to Puget Sound, the USA would not be here. The Indian Nations would still be hunting Buffalo where are now cities and farms! Unfortunately history ended up being what it did. About all I have to say on the matter, I tend to back the officers and men who were there and had to do the fighting.
It's usually military guys who have a romantic view of Custer.

In any case there's little point in debating what honor or lack of honor the US government and the US Cavalry had when dealing with the Indians who's land they took and children they took and who they stuck on reservations which amounted to little more than open air prisons. There is however a case for a logical discussion of Custer's ability as a general and his skill as a military tactician. Looking specifically at the Little Bighorn battle, anyone who claims Custer didn't F that up royally through arrogance, overconfidence and an extreme lack of knowledge of how large groups of actual warriors as opposed to random camps of women and children fought, is delusional. And if it wasn't for Custer's devoted wife that would have been the prevailing POV from June 27, 1876 onward.
 
It's usually military guys who have a romantic view of Custer.

In any case there's little point in debating what honor or lack of honor the US government and the US Cavalry had when dealing with the Indians who's land they took and children they took and who they stuck on reservations which amounted to little more than open air prisons. There is however a case for a logical discussion of Custer's ability as a general and his skill as a military tactician. Looking specifically at the Little Bighorn battle, anyone who claims Custer didn't F that up royally through arrogance, overconfidence and an extreme lack of knowledge of how large groups of actual warriors as opposed to random camps of women and children fought, is delusional. And if it wasn't for Custer's devoted wife that would have been the prevailing POV from June 27, 1876 onward.
In addition, I think your last sentence should explain to The Night Rider what some of us have been explaining to him. I don't know, maybe not!
 
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