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Do You Really need a .357 Magnum for Self Defense?

JMHO a 3" Kimber K6 or Ruger SP101 357 is the best " I'm only going to have one handgun" to have. Heavey enough and strong enough to handle fire breathing dragon slaying loads, and small enough to conceal if/when necessary. Like the Jack-of-all-trades, there are better hunting, CCW, Duty handguns, but these will each of these well and better than the specialized tools used for something other than its intended use. Thankfully I don't have to only own one handgun, maybe that's why I don't have a 357.
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Huh, so, if your life is on the line, you believe its better to use less effective cartridges? By that logic, 22 LR is an adequate self-defense cartridge?
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Obviously, your view of what qualifies an "effective cartridge " differs from mine. It's a wide world, carry what you will. However, you'd do well to remember that oftentimes excess force introduces additional difficulties. In most scenarios, it isn't required.
 
Mr.W. said:
Obviously, your view of what qualifies an "effective cartridge " differs from mine. It's a wide world, carry what you will. However, you'd do well to remember that oftentimes excess force introduces additional difficulties. In most scenarios, it isn't required.
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Additionally, .22 LR can indeed be an effective self defense round.
 
Mr.W. said:
Obviously, your view of what qualifies an "effective cartridge " differs from mine. It's a wide world, carry what you will. However, you'd do well to remember that oftentimes excess force introduces additional difficulties. In most scenarios, it isn't required.
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Excessive force generally applies to the method of defense employed, not the cartridge used if a firearm is employed.

So, based on your two replies, it certainly seems as though you are suggesting that any cartridge in excess of a 22LR is unnecessary and that the primary consideration in firearms self-defense should be using the least powerful cartridge to avoid the possibility of an "excessive force" charge.

I wonder, do you advocate for carrying a can of pepper-spray over a firearm for home and self-defense?
 
Hammer67 said:
I've shot some Underwood .38+Ps that may as well be .357 Mag.
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Yeah, those can be stout in a lightweight snub revolver. They test with a 6" for the 1200 to 1300 FPS advertised, but even from a 2" their loads are generally breaking 1000 FPS.

Recoil mitigation, in most cases is just a matter of training. There are very few civilian self-defense scenarios that would require multiple reloads to resolve. So, multiple cylinders of Underwood ammo would likely only be a Range Day inconvenience to ensure Clutch Time competence with their loads.
 
HansGruber said:
It is; I carry a S&W 43C all the time.
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Of course, carry and shoot what you feel comfortable with and can handle with proficiency. However, I'm curious if you've ever actually had to discharge your 22LR in a self-defense situation with a human-sized assailant. If so, how many rounds did you discharge and was your assailant incapacitated as a result of those rounds during the assault?
 
I have considered a 357. If you are concerned that a 5 shot revolver may not be enough capacity, it makes sense to my feeble mind to try to make sure one shot will do the job, just in case shot placement isn’t what it should be.
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Of course, carry and shoot what you feel comfortable with and can handle with proficiency. However, I'm curious if you've ever actually had to discharge your 22LR in a self-defense situation with a human-sized assailant. If so, how many rounds did you discharge and was your assailant incapacitated as a result of those rounds during the assault?
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Have you ever discharged your weapon with a human sized assailant? If so how many rounds did it take to incapacitate your assailant?
 
If, one has never actually used a weapon for self defense one is limited to making choices dependant upon other methods. These can include testing in ballistic mediums by yourself, or other persons, then analyzing the results, post shooting results on cadavers, and shooting statistics analysis by various agencies.

If one studies these they might be surprised at just how little difference there is in ALL handgun rounds when it comes to number of rounds to stop an assailant.
 
Thought this might be a good link on this subject…….

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Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Excessive force generally applies to the method of defense employed, not the cartridge used if a firearm is employed.

So, based on your two replies, it certainly seems as though you are suggesting that any cartridge in excess of a 22LR is unnecessary and that the primary consideration in firearms self-defense should be using the least powerful cartridge to avoid the possibility of an "excessive force" charge.

I wonder, do you advocate for carrying a can of pepper-spray over a firearm for home and self-defense?
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OK, thanks. We're done here. Move on . . .
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Of course, carry and shoot what you feel comfortable with and can handle with proficiency. However, I'm curious if you've ever actually had to discharge your 22LR in a self-defense situation with a human-sized assailant. If so, how many rounds did you discharge and was your assailant incapacitated as a result of those rounds during the assault?
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And exactly how many gunfights have you been in?

Don’t be that guy. Just…don’t.
 
HansGruber said:
And exactly how many gunfights have you been in?

Don’t be that guy. Just…don’t.
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Haha! I'm _not_ that guy, but you may be...:) So, the question wasn't even directed at you, but if you're going to double team, you may as well take ownership of the OP's stated position regarding 22LR as a better self/home defense cartridge than the 357/38. So, please, convince me on that point.
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Haha! I'm _not_ that guy, but you may be...:) So, the question wasn't even directed at you, but if you're going to double team, you may as well take ownership of the OP's stated position regarding 22LR as a better self/home defense cartridge than the 357/38. So, please, convince me on that point.
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You are aware you quoted me, right? Kinda hard to believe the question was t directed at me—kinda like when Sid quoted you, he wasn’t asking me for a response.

You are aware how these forums work, right?
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Haha! I'm _not_ that guy, but you may be...:) So, the question wasn't even directed at you, but if you're going to double team, you may as well take ownership of the OP's stated position regarding 22LR as a better self/home defense cartridge than the 357/38. So, please, convince me on that point.
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I am not sure you have read the entire thread. The OP never mentioned the .22 lr. His entire thread was about the merits of the .357 magnum and the .38 special.

Might wish to read the thread from the start if you plan on chiming in.
 
The OP's premise was 'do you need'... the obvious answer is no... I love my Dan Wesson .357 and at one time in history a good .357 was perhaps the best option for carrying; that time has past due to advances in gun technology, ammo and carry tech.

We should start a separate thread to debate .22's and defense, folks are getting chippy.
 
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