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DOJ to Investigate Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department for Permit Delays

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The United States Supreme Court, in its landmark Bruen decision recognizing a right to carry in public for self-defense, did not foreclose shall-issue licensing as being consistent with the Second Amendment. Yet it warned that “because any permitting scheme can be put toward abusive ends, we do not rule out constitutional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry.”

This investigation follows on other efforts to address California officials’ foot-dragging over recognition of Second Amendment rights in Bruen’s wake, including a 2023 lawsuit in which a federal judge granted injunctive relief to plaintiffs subjected to an over 18-month delay in receiving a decision on their licensing applications.

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NRA-ILA | Trump DOJ to Investigate Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department for Permit Delays

The United States Supreme Court, in its landmark Bruen decision recognizing a right to carry in public for self-defense, did not foreclose shall-issue licensing as being consistent with the Second Amendment.
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Hi,

I sure hope somebody can knock some sense into the CA state government. Some counties are easier to get concealed carry than others, it mostly depends on the county sheriff. The "may issue" counties are almost impossible. I lived in a "shall issue" county (San Bernardino) with a very 2A friendly Sheriff and deputies. He was all for letting law-abiding citizens defend themselves and did all he could to get his constituents armed and ready. In LA county, not so much.

My CA CCW was expensive, inconvenient, and took a long time. There was lots of paperwork, a range qualification, and the background check took forever. My process may have been lengthened a bit because I started it during the waning period of the Covid lockdowns.

Here's the recap:

12/05/2020 - Submitted the online application at the San Bernardino County Sheriff CCW website.
12/11/2020 - First email notification that my initial interview had been scheduled for 3/17/2021
12/16/2020-03/16/2021 - Received email reminders every five days regarding my initial CCW interview.
03/17/2021 - Initial CCW interview with a very affable detective. Turned in all requested paperwork, paid initial fees ($119 and $31.60), fingerprinted, background check started.
05/12/2021 - Received a call from a detective at the Sheriff Dept. to tell me that my CCW class has been scheduled for 06/02/2021. Background check passed, bring $203.40 money order.
06/02/2021 - Attended CCW class at Sheriff station. We were told we had thirty days to qualify at the range and turn in our range cards, in person was best rather than by mail.
06/11/2021 - Shot my range qualification, passed.
06/14/2021 - Delivered my CCW Proficiency range card to the SBCSD station.
06/18/2021 - Received my CA CCW license card in the mail.

Total fees: $354 to the county plus miscellaneous minor fees for necessary documents, $35 range fee for the qualification, $389 altogether.
Total time: 6 months, one week, and six days.
Total travel: Three trips to the Sheriff station (150 miles for three round trips), one trip to the range (28 miles round trip), 178 miles altogether.

Note: It took me one week to get my CCW permit in Wisconsin. I applied online, uploaded the requested paperwork, paid $40, it was in my mailbox a week later. Never had to leave the house. It's good for 5 years. My CA permit was good for only 2 years but I had to send it back with I moved. CA has very little reciprocity with anyone. I hope Ms. Bondi rakes them over the coals. ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Warrior9(Ret) said:
I live in Texas so we aren’t required a permit to carry. I still got mine after talking to several law enforcement officers. I spent more money going to Chili’s than getting it.
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I know my state even with LEOSA coverage intel recently you were legally wrong if you pulled up to or within a school parking lot without a permit. So Concealed Carry passed and those folks were hit (or could be) as well so we always recommended getting or keeping. My state lifetime is free other than the 10 dollar fingerprint fee.

I don’t know if any case law where someone actually got hemmed up in my state on the above
My state also did change it so any retired or off duty LE can carry inside schools now without a permit and I
 
Warrior9(Ret) said:
I live in Texas so we aren’t required a permit to carry. I still got mine after talking to several law enforcement officers. I spent more money going to Chili’s than getting it.
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me to
i have had my texas LTC CHL since 08
even with open carry, we get to carry more places and its reciprocal in many states, where as the non licensed open carry people are limited to OC in the state ..

imo
if some can legally carry open...its their prerogative, go for it.

i prefer the see me, forget me mode of operation, no one but but me knows i am carrying and its frankly nobody else's business.

in my state with OC for all if your able , should have least put some sort of basic training in place.. free / paid or ??
there are WAY to many oc people blowing off signs at businesses because they have no idea what the law is.
therefore the signs do not pertain them as it seems

especially at BANKS. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Illinois is horrible in its own way but not insane. 2-8 hour classes (150 bucks for the classes (thankfully I was member but put on 320 miles)), 156 bucks to the ISP to process it, I didn’t provide fingerprints at all, and finally got approved in just over 2 months (had up to 120 days before a response).

Personally I rather have it than not now a days. What helped me to finally go for it was when I got pulled over by a state trooper. We were talking about ranges and everything and he mentioned to go for it.
 
Jsimon78 said:
Illinois is horrible in its own way but not insane. 2-8 hour classes (150 bucks for the classes (thankfully I was member but put on 320 miles)), 156 bucks to the ISP to process it, I didn’t provide fingerprints at all, and finally got approved in just over 2 months (had up to 120 days before a response).

Personally I rather have it than not now a days. What helped me to finally go for it was when I got pulled over by a state trooper. We were talking about ranges and everything and he mentioned to go for it.
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Sorry, but that is insane
 
I had a pretty good firearms training business in retirement for about 8 years. Most of my business was training and re-qualifying security officers and private investigators for their state firearms license, but I did a few CWFL courses as well. COVID came along and killed the business when the state gave COVID waivers and companies stopped sending people to training. Then we went for a long spell where we could not get ammo. In all I ran about 850 students through my classroom and range training. Now that no CWFL is required here it was not a viable business any more.

Although I am glad we now have constitutional concealed carry, have to tell you the level of ignorance and misconceptions I saw in students of firearms and the law is unsettling. Absent a licensing training requirement, folks really need to be responsible on their own and seek out training. A lack of knowledge of the law and skills in firearm incidents is not a good thing. Now my legislature is moving to expand places where you can carry, a good thing but it increases potential for an incident.

I will tell you that as a lifelong LEO, I am dead set against open carry in urban spaces. Open carry can be provocative and I don't think we need that additional spark, not to mention the potential for gun grabs from unsecured holsters.

On another note, if open carry passes in Florida I will finally be able to parade my barbecue guns in public...
 
HayesGreener said:
I had a pretty good firearms training business in retirement for about 8 years. Most of my business was training and re-qualifying security officers and private investigators for their state firearms license, but I did a few CWFL courses as well. COVID came along and killed the business when the state gave COVID waivers and companies stopped sending people to training. Then we went for a long spell where we could not get ammo. In all I ran about 850 students through my classroom and range training. Now that no CWFL is required here it was not a viable business any more.

Although I am glad we now have constitutional concealed carry, have to tell you the level of ignorance and misconceptions I saw in students of firearms and the law is unsettling. Absent a licensing training requirement, folks really need to be responsible on their own and seek out training. A lack of knowledge of the law and skills in firearm incidents is not a good thing. Now my legislature is moving to expand places where you can carry, a good thing but it increases potential for an incident.

I will tell you that as a lifelong LEO, I am dead set against open carry in urban spaces. Open carry can be provocative and I don't think we need that additional spark, not to mention the potential for gun grabs from unsecured holsters.

On another note, if open carry passes in Florida I will finally be able to parade my barbecue guns in public...
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Well, when I was still working in north city there were a lot of people open carrying AKs. Didn’t seem to change anything. In the most violent parts of arguably the most violent city in the country.
 
I will always be a behind the iron cutain Joisey boy. I was able to afford the gun buying permission slip, about 8ish years ago. It was (might be the same now, idk) a fingerprinting, references and a year+ wait to be approved for it i think i had to pay $100+ for the whole process. And handguns purchased in NJ need another permission slip, background check and a few bucks for each one, a 6 month+ wait(this part i might be off on because the background check system they use can take over a year for a result) and up to 3 could be done but when you buy 1 handgun it's a 30 day wait to be able to buy another one. and all handgun permission slips have a 3 or 6 month time limit that you have to ask for extensions on, some cop bosses/judges don't permit extensions though. I did 1 handgun permission slip when i did the gun buying permission slip i/we are allowed to do it. And the gun buying permission slip has/had a 10 year time limit.

I'm not sure about the whole CCW permission slips. I know finger printing has to be done but maybe if you had one done within 3 years you are "safe", there is a $150+ class you have to take with a shooting test, there is a thing to fill out on the gun/s you want to CCW, at first i think you had to qualify each gun on your list, the same class and test you did for the CCW permission slip. 3 references, other references like teachers or cops or something like them. And a 3 year time limit that you have to take the class and shooting test for, and a background check has to be done, i think...

Again i probably missed/forgot somethings and laws/rules change all the time with nobody really knowing the changes were made.
 
BassCliff said:
Hi,

I sure hope somebody can knock some sense into the CA state government. Some counties are easier to get concealed carry than others, it mostly depends on the county sheriff. The "may issue" counties are almost impossible. I lived in a "shall issue" county (San Bernardino) with a very 2A friendly Sheriff and deputies. He was all for letting law-abiding citizens defend themselves and did all he could to get his constituents armed and ready. In LA county, not so much.

My CA CCW was expensive, inconvenient, and took a long time. There was lots of paperwork, a range qualification, and the background check took forever. My process may have been lengthened a bit because I started it during the waning period of the Covid lockdowns.

Here's the recap:

12/05/2020 - Submitted the online application at the San Bernardino County Sheriff CCW website.
12/11/2020 - First email notification that my initial interview had been scheduled for 3/17/2021
12/16/2020-03/16/2021 - Received email reminders every five days regarding my initial CCW interview.
03/17/2021 - Initial CCW interview with a very affable detective. Turned in all requested paperwork, paid initial fees ($119 and $31.60), fingerprinted, background check started.
05/12/2021 - Received a call from a detective at the Sheriff Dept. to tell me that my CCW class has been scheduled for 06/02/2021. Background check passed, bring $203.40 money order.
06/02/2021 - Attended CCW class at Sheriff station. We were told we had thirty days to qualify at the range and turn in our range cards, in person was best rather than by mail.
06/11/2021 - Shot my range qualification, passed.
06/14/2021 - Delivered my CCW Proficiency range card to the SBCSD station.
06/18/2021 - Received my CA CCW license card in the mail.

Total fees: $354 to the county plus miscellaneous minor fees for necessary documents, $35 range fee for the qualification, $389 altogether.
Total time: 6 months, one week, and six days.
Total travel: Three trips to the Sheriff station (150 miles for three round trips), one trip to the range (28 miles round trip), 178 miles altogether.

Note: It took me one week to get my CCW permit in Wisconsin. I applied online, uploaded the requested paperwork, paid $40, it was in my mailbox a week later. Never had to leave the house. It's good for 5 years. My CA permit was good for only 2 years but I had to send it back with I moved. CA has very little reciprocity with anyone. I hope Ms. Bondi rakes them over the coals. ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
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Ok , Semantics :

Your San Berdoo Sheriff was Comparitively Less Anti Gun than most other urban California Sheriffs .

But that outlined procedure is very far from being Pro 2A by any objective measure .
 
Hi,

Biggfoot44 said:
Ok , Semantics :

Your San Berdoo Sheriff was Comparitively Less Anti Gun than most other urban California Sheriffs .

But that outlined procedure is very far from being Pro 2A by any objective measure .
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OK, I'll give you that. My SB County Sheriff had to follow the state law but put no other roadblocks in the way like other county sheriffs. However, my CCW timeline was extended due to Covid, the "summer of love" riots all over the country, and because of election year results the system was very crowded with applicants. Yes, the CA procedure is very inconvenient but not impossible. I related my experience for comparative purposes only. ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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