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Everytown Touts New New Study Claiming ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Are Racist

...and the picture of the people hollering "RACISM!!" contains...by my count...what....three brown people? Wait. Sorry, four brown people.

One of the comments sums it up nicely (emphasis mine):
The only reason they say it’s racist is because the majority of scumbag criminals shot lawfully are their supporters. Criminals, minorities, white pansy apologists, and liberals are the bulk of violent criminals in America. 12.9% commits 51% of all violent crime in America. Those are hard facts. Remember the truth isn’t racist, it’s the truth. Wether you like it or not.
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How about if you don't want to be supporting "racism"....don't commit a crime that would cause someone to defend themselves in the first place!!

I fail to understand why people think they can decide how (or if) I'm allowed to defend my safety and person.
 
I'm not sure how a study like this could provide any real data.

Assume there is a crime in progress.
No SYG = 1 crime + 1 injured/deceased (victim)
SYG = 1 crime + 1 injured/deceased (criminal)
No change in the qty of crimes or injured/deceased.

Certainly other combinations of armed & not armed or 0 & 2 injured/deceased but being simple for the sake of argument. Again, if 0, it's probably not a data point in any self defense data set.

If no crime were ever in progress, we wouldn't be having these discussions. I don't think I read anywhere were SYG indicated someone NOT committing a crime, walked up to someone, shot them and claimed they were standing their ground.

I would also argue that there aren't, yet, near enough concealed carriers to move pendulum towards "I'm not going to commit a crime because my victim might be armed". As such, no data is going to show concealed carry is decreasing crime rate. There are WAAAAY to many other factors affecting crime rates then our relatively small population of KNOWN armed citizens. Our very goal is for no one to know we are armed unless we are in the act of defending ourselves...when 1 crime is in progress.
 
StillLearning said:
no data is going to show concealed carry is decreasing crime rate.
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I think we DO have those data points, at least in a local capacity such as Detroit. I'd have to dig, but I do believe when more people started carrying in Detroit the rate dropped. At the very least, their police chief at the time (2014, I believe) was TELLING folks to go get a permit.

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morr...lice-chief-want-crime-to-drop-start-carrying/

From the article (emphasis mine):
Craig said he started believing that legal gun owners can deter crime when he became police chief in Portland, Maine, in 2009.

“Coming from California (Craig was on the Los Angeles police force for 28 years), where it takes an act of Congress to get a concealed weapon permit, I got to Maine, where they give out lots of CCWs (carrying concealed weapon permits), and I had a stack of CCW permits I was denying; that was my orientation.

“I changed my orientation real quick. Maine is one of the safest places in America. Clearly, suspects knew that good Americans were armed.”
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Also, you can look at overall crime rates for states that have Constitutional Carry such as VT, who I believe also has the lowest crime rate in the nation. The chief's statement above, about Maine, backs that up as well.

The guns ain't causin' the crimes...but we already know that here...
 
We have stand your ground in Kentucky and the color of the skin of the person (criminal) that breaks into my home or attacks outside of my home and shows the intent to do me or my loved ones harm makes no different to me and all I’ll say is hopefully they made their peace with god. If that makes me a racist then so be it.
 
Peglegjoe said:
I think we DO have those data points, at least in a local capacity such as Detroit. I'd have to dig, but I do believe when more people started carrying in Detroit the rate dropped. At the very least, their police chief at the time (2014, I believe) was TELLING folks to go get a permit.

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morr...lice-chief-want-crime-to-drop-start-carrying/

From the article (emphasis mine):


Also, you can look at overall crime rates for states that have Constitutional Carry such as VT, who I believe also has the lowest crime rate in the nation. The chief's statement above, about Maine, backs that up as well.

The guns ain't causin' the crimes...but we already know that here...
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I hear ya....I would tend to be optimistic and agree that knowing many of us are armed is seen as a deterrent ....buuuut.....are the states that are smart enough to support constitutional carry also smart enough to take on other activities that decrease crime rates......like holding people accountable?
I‘m small-town-naive and tend to see criminals as not smart enough to think they are going to be outsmarted (out gunned).
 
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