Fadir Tools in Ukraine

[Talyn]

Pffft... the ukies get enuff of our dollars already. Interesting having the Odinic Pagan Valknutt carved into the hafts..

The Vikings traveled through and colonized/intermarried in eastern Europe & Russia in their exploratory period so the carvings are part of that Regions heritage. They were called the "Rus" then, which was the fore-bearing name of Russia.

And 80-90% of the aid sent to Ukraine has stayed in the USA to replace old stock/surplus/etc. material aid sent to Ukraine, which in-turn allowed the US military to buy new material & reinvigorate a neglected industrial base.

 

[Bassbob]

The Vikings traveled through and colonized/intermarried in eastern Europe & Russia in their exploratory period so the carvings are part of that Regions heritage. They were called the "Rus" then, which was the fore-bearing name of Russia.

And 80-90% of the aid sent to Ukraine stayed in the USA to replace old stock/surplus/etc. material aid sent to Ukraine, which in--turn allowed the US military to buy new material & reinvigorate a neglected industrial base.

And over the course of recorded history Ukraine has been a part of Russia for the vast majority of it. And the problem didn't start until western leaders, cough, Biden, cough, started entertaining the idiot, commie, thieving bastard in charge of Ukraine's ridiculous idea that Ukraine could join NATO.

With regards to aid sent to Ukraine. Way more money than you've seen accumulatively over the course of your entire life was sent to Ukraine to pay their bills. Pensions, infrastructure, that one prick's new $600k Rolls Royce.

I have no love for Putin, but the US should not be carrying the weight of keeping him out of Ukraine.

 

[Talyn]

The US had not carried the weight of aid to Ukraine, since "collectively", the European countries have sent more aid to Ukraine than the US has. And as a percentage of GNP the US is a ways down the list compared to several European countries who are in eastern Europe.

The area of Ukraine has switched back & forth between several non-Russian countries over the past several hundred years, including Poland, the Ottoman Turks, The Hapsburgs, Lithuania, Romania. Russian did not exist until 1708, and didn't assume control of the majority of present-day Ukraine until 1795.

History of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The real and imagined history of Ukraine

Vladimir Putin says Ukraine isn’t a country. Yale historian Timothy Synder explains why he’s wrong.

www.vox.com

Ukraine Has Seen Centuries of Conflict | HISTORY

Ukraine has long endured battles, with Russia’s 2022 invasion only the latest in a series of wars, rebellions, raids and pogroms to take place there.

www.history.com

Putin is this period of History's Adolf Hitler, using the rhetoric that Hitler did when he said he had to protect German-speakers scattered throughout Central and Eastern Europe, and China is the new pre-WW2 Japan.

US isolationism existed prior to WW2 when some said the US was giving Great Britain too much aid.

 

[Bassbob]

The US had not carried the weight of aid to Ukraine, since "collectively", the European countries have sent more aid to Ukraine than the US has. And as a percentage of GNP the US is a ways down the list compared to several European countries who are in eastern Europe.

The area of Ukraine has switched back & forth between several non-Russian countries over the past several hundred years, including Poland, the Ottoman Turks, The Hapsburgs, Lithuania, Romania. Russian did not exist until 1708, and didn't assume control of the majority of present-day Ukraine until 1795.

History of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The real and imagined history of Ukraine

Vladimir Putin says Ukraine isn’t a country. Yale historian Timothy Synder explains why he’s wrong.

www.vox.com

Ukraine Has Seen Centuries of Conflict | HISTORY

Ukraine has long endured battles, with Russia’s 2022 invasion only the latest in a series of wars, rebellions, raids and pogroms to take place there.

www.history.com

Putin is this period of History's Adolf Hitler, using the rhetoric that Hitler did when he said he had to protect German-speakers scattered throughout Central and Eastern Europe, and China is the new pre-WW2 Japan.

US isolationism existed prior to WW2 when some said the US was giving Great Britain too much aid.

Dude, Russia didn't exist until 1708 ? Come on. The Romanov Dynasty was founded in 1613 and it existed before then. Modern Russia is not the only Russia that ever existed. In fact Kievan Rus is the beginning of Russia.

 

[Talyn]

I have provide link for anyone to interpret.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsardom_of_Russia

The Russian Empire also known as the Tsardom of Muscovy, and was the foundation of the Russian Empire by Peter the Great in 1721. The Tsardome was much smaller at the beginning of the Romanovs that what existed two hundred years alter & almost what we all know.

BTW -I'm not going to deviate this thread from the original post about the tools available from Ukraine.

If anyone wants to start a thread about the history of Russia & Ukraine, and about the aid situation to Ukraine please contact the Mods for permission.

I can inundate those interested in the latter with the facts.

My .02

 

[Bassbob]

I have provide link for anyone to interpret.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsardom_of_Russia

The Russian Empire also known as the Tsardom of Muscovy, and was the foundation of the Russian Empire by Peter the Great in 1721. The Tsardome was much smaller at the beginning of the Romanovs that what existed two hundred years alter & almost what we all know.

BTW -I'm not going to deviate this thread from the original post about the tools available from Ukraine.

If anyone wants to start a thread about the history of Russia & Ukraine, and about the aid situation to Ukraine please contact the Mods for permission.

I can inundate those interested in the latter with the facts.

My .02

The facts from wikipedia maybe, scattered with your opinion. I studied Russian history for a solid 2 years so I doubt you can inundate me with anything I can't dispute.

In any case you're employing semantics. To assume that Russia actually began in the middle of an established dynasty is ridiculous.

Russia, came into existence in the late 9th century. In Kiev. And other than a brief period of Muslim occupation it, Kiev, has been Russian until 1991.

Those are facts.

 

[Bassbob]

And for the record, the Tsardom of Muscovy/ Tsardom of Russia wasn't also known as the Russian Empire. It predated the Russian Empire by a couple hundred years.

 

[Talyn]

I doubt you can inundate me with anything I can't dispute.

What I said was Part 2 of the sentence containing this...and about the aid situation to Ukraine please contact the Mods for permission.

I can inundate those interested in the latter with the facts.