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Generally, how long before the second generation firearm issued?

Annihilator said:
I also read something on this at the 1911 forum, according to what I read, it was getting build up under the extractor and possibly a weak extractor spring, my thoughts on this if I got one were to keep it clean in that area and not worry to much about it, if there is a problem, Springfield will definitely take care of it.
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That’s what I’ve been made aware of Annihilator, and to be fair it was after a high round count all at the same time ,, not me, I’m not going to be sending that much Ammo down range at one time,,,,
 
T_Cactus said:
I too own an Emissary, Old_Me, and get it out just to admire the piece.
Abs of course I fire it too.
I had plunked down half on a SA Ronin, and waited, and waited, and waited some more. Paul at my LGS Called and said come and get it, when I arrived at the gun store, Paul wasn’t there, and the other employee off handedly said I could buy an Emissary while I was there.
I left the Ronin and purchased the Emissary.
I know I could go down and put down half which would guarantee that it would be delivered in “time”
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i ended up with a Ronin, when i went there for a series "E" S&W...they had no series "E", but a half dozen Ronin's, so i grabbed that up that day. the S&W "E" i got online from a dealer.
 
Annihilator said:
I also read something on this at the 1911 forum, according to what I read, it was getting build up under the extractor and possibly a weak extractor spring, my thoughts on this if I got one were to keep it clean in that area and not worry to much about it, if there is a problem, Springfield will definitely take care of it.
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since i shoot a lot, and i mean a LOT of dirty reloaded ammo, i use a tiny flat blade screw driver, to scrape clean the debris under the extractor, and the surrounding rounded corners of the breech area, then a bronze brush, to shine it, then a pipe cleaner, to remove the loose debris the screw driver leaves..

got into that habit from watching one of my favorite you tube experts, otherwise, i'd never have thought to clean under the extractor.
 
T_Cactus said:
That’s what I’ve been made aware of Annihilator, and to be fair it was after a high round count all at the same time ,, not me, I’m not going to be sending that much Ammo down range at one time,,,,
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i have all my handguns in a "rotation" for trips to the range. so needless to say, as a whole, not a lot of ammo in any of them over time..i document the day of the trip, ammo used, either new or LGS reloaded, and cleaning/lubing.

something like (now) 25 of my pieces get to the range maybe once every 2 or 3 months. only one or 2 guns go more often if i did some sort of work to it, like my recent S&W "E" 1911, where i have adjusted the sights and i need to make sure they are spot on. (tomorrow might be trip #3 in as many days)

then my other guns gripe at me for ignoring them.....

but hey, i AM the master of MY domain.....
 
Sld1959 said:
Haing worked as a DP manufacturin/QC specialist I usually wait for a year to shake things out on new products before buying.
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I agree and need to start using that. Was gifted the Ruger LC9 when it was first released and loved everything but the trigger. Looooong pull and loooooong reset. They improved the trigger and released the LC9S about a year later. Bought it and absolutely love it. Bought the Hellcat when first released and love everything except I prefer a manual safety and am a leftie. New one has the ambi safety.
 
I'm thinking it doesn't matter what the product is, the manufacturer does X amount of " beta" testing, then releases the product to the public. At this point the customer is the new "beta tester" cause it doesn't cost the company anything. If anything goes wrong the best customer service response is... send it back, if we can't fix it better than it was we will replace it with a new one. If an improved version comes out ... rinse and repeat !! So ya, 12 to 18 months after release is a good time line, just don't get the improved one !
 
Old_Me said:
since i shoot a lot, and i mean a LOT of dirty reloaded ammo, i use a tiny flat blade screw driver, to scrape clean the debris under the extractor, and the surrounding rounded corners of the breech area, then a bronze brush, to shine it, then a pipe cleaner, to remove the loose debris the screw driver leaves..

got into that habit from watching one of my favorite you tube experts, otherwise, i'd never have thought to clean under the extractor.
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O_M, which YouTuber do you follow? Maybe that GunBlue guy?
 
T_Cactus said:
I am very interested in obtaining a SA-35
I have been listening/reading about the SA-35, and it is not a matter if I will purchase but when.

I’ve noticed in some of the “reviews” two things I too would like see on the new pistol ( don’t say/call it new! )

1. Extractor has issues after several hundred rounds - take me a while to get there. But,,,,,
2. Perhaps the addition of an extended beavertail.

Anyways, I’m looking for an SA-35 and I’m purchasing 9 mm for the eventual purchase.
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I would clearly expect Springfield Armory to listen to people reporting issues with the extractor and making changes “eventually” however I don’t see them making changes to the beavertail as that would require
re-tooling the forge.
 
Old_Me said:
i have seen a few reviews as well. let's not forget, those are tests that the average shooter will not go thru in such a short amount of time, as those "expert" review people do. they have to do as much abuse to a product in short time as they can, to get the problems they experienced to show up.

for us "average" shooters, by the time we reach those numbers in the rounds count, the manufacturer would have come up with a "cure" thanks to the brutal testing.

then it's a matter of contacting the company for a replacement part, or a trip to the factory for repairs, for no charge to us.

but i myself don't always wait xx amount of time to buy any new product. sometimes, like in the case of the Emissary, i buy one as soon as it is available, at my LGS.

it's 6 of one, half a dozen of another....wait some time, for the bugs to work out, or buy right away....

either way, we will own a "new" product.
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I’d hit 800 rounds in a few 3-4 weeks of normal shooting. Possibly less.

I can run 300 rounds in one couple hour session
Edit: throw Simon in a range session and we’d hit 800 in 2 trips
 
In answer to the thread title, about a year, I reckon: old inventory needs to be sold, it takes time to set up additional manufacturing processes, to order and stock new parts (longer now because of COVID), etc.

Sometimes, it takes that long to effect a recall: it took Sig-Sauer a year to effect a recall for defective P320s.

My big wish is for a second generation mod/change is for the Emissary to accept a red dot sight--if that were to happen I'd snap one up in a New York second.
 
Chas said:
I'm thinking it doesn't matter what the product is, the manufacturer does X amount of " beta" testing, then releases the product to the public. At this point the customer is the new "beta tester" cause it doesn't cost the company anything. If anything goes wrong the best customer service response is... send it back, if we can't fix it better than it was we will replace it with a new one. If an improved version comes out ... rinse and repeat !! So ya, 12 to 18 months after release is a good time line, just don't get the improved one !
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Uh oh, thought you'd sneak in here huh? Your turn to buy the pizza! - Am kidding! It's maybe your turn for drinks though!
Welcome to the forum Chas if you haven't been already! Lotta good folks and info here, enjoy them all.

On part of the comment? Sorta, sorta not. "At this point the customer is the new "beta tester" cause it doesn't cost the company anything." - It sure can if something's not taken care of in a good manner. Darned near everything sometimes.

Customers, good or not have a great effect on a companies well being. Some things can depend on business structure. Many products original higher pricetag is there for possible repairs or returns and can be built into pricetag. Returns, defects, errors or some other discrepancy can cost an amazing amount of time for everyone involved. Time means money gained or lost.
 
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