Hellcat .380
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conax
Master Class
Talyn
SAINT
It's HS Produkts' design.
HansGruber
Ronin
HecKitten.
Talyn
SAINT
You wouldn't have a problem with a non-compensated Hellcat.
Spoons
Alpha
I'm not too sure that system as presented is accurate; if I'm understanding that 75 point system correctly, I don't think the Hellcat or the Hellcat pro would qualify.
Hellcat/Hellcat Pro Points
Hellcat Characteristic Points
Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1 = 0/2 Points
Forged steel frame 15 = 0/0 Points
Forged HTS alloy frame 20 = 0/0 Points
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) 1 = 18/21 Points
.22 short and .25 auto 0 = 0/0 Points
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3 = 0/0 Points
9mm parabellum and over 10 = 10/10 Points
Locked breech mechanism 5 = 5/5 Points
Loaded chamber indicator 5 = 5/5 Points
Grip safety 3 = 0/0 Points
Magazine safety 5 = 0/0 Points
Firing pin block or lock 10 = 0/0 Points
External hammer 2 = 0/0 Points
Double action 10 = 0/0 Points
Drift adjustable target sight 5 = 0/0 Points
Click adjustable target sight 10 = 0/0 Points
Target grips 5 = 0/0 Points
Target trigger 2 = 0/0 Points
Hellcat total = 38
Hellcat Pro total = 43
Am I missing something?
TomcatStray cat?
HansGruber
Ronin
Sights are drift adjustable, also has a firing pin block.
Also, I believe that since the frame has steel components embedded in it, it’s considered steel.
it's possible that they are imported with click adjustable sights which are replaced after they’re in the US (it's how the Glock 26 made import).
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Spoons
Alpha
So then the...
Hellcat would have my 38 points and your additional 30 which equals 68 points.
Hellcat Pro would have my 43 points and your additional 30 which equals 73 points.
Still neither one reaches that 75 point threshold.
I think there is something wrong with the list.
Talyn
SAINT
If SA wants to chamber "another" cartridge in addition to the 9mm in the Hellcat they should consider the new .30 Super.
gunmagwarehouse.com
www.handgunsmag.com
www.smith-wesson.com
Not only does it offer much better performance than the .380, there would be an automatic magazine increase over the 9mm w/o mag extensions.
..."Perhaps capacity is actually the biggest difference because the 30 Super Carry can hold 12 rounds in the same magazine space where a 9mm holds 10 rounds. Could two rounds make or break a self-defense situation? Yes."
Increased Capacity
With ballistics and recoil so similar to 9mm, perhaps the greatest advantage for 30 Super Carry is in its size. Slimmer than both .380 Auto and 9mm, the new round is sleek. Stacked in a magazine, it increases capacity compared to 9mm and .380 Auto handgun offerings. In the Shield™ EZ®, capacity is 10+1; that translates to 2 more rounds compared to the same pistol chambered in 9mm or .380. In the Shield Plus, the capacity jumps to 16 + 1. More ammo in the mag allows for more shots before reloading. For many CCW owners who don’t carry a spare magazine, these extra rounds provide a significant advantage.
30 Super Carry vs 9mm | Ammo Face Off - The Mag Life
30 Super Carry vs 9mm — which is best? Get a closer look at the ballistics and performance of the two different cartridges.
First Look: Federal .30 Super Carry Pistol Cartridge - Handguns
Federal's new.30 Super Carry pistol cartridge offers the equivalent of 9mm Luger performance with recoil and muzzle blast comparable with 9mm. Here's a first look.
www.handgunsmag.com
30 Super Carry Advantages | Smith & Wesson
While 9MM is widely accepted as the standard for everyday carry, there's a new kid on the block... Meet the 30 Super Carry.
Not only does it offer much better performance than the .380, there would be an automatic magazine increase over the 9mm w/o mag extensions.
..."Perhaps capacity is actually the biggest difference because the 30 Super Carry can hold 12 rounds in the same magazine space where a 9mm holds 10 rounds. Could two rounds make or break a self-defense situation? Yes."
Increased Capacity
With ballistics and recoil so similar to 9mm, perhaps the greatest advantage for 30 Super Carry is in its size. Slimmer than both .380 Auto and 9mm, the new round is sleek. Stacked in a magazine, it increases capacity compared to 9mm and .380 Auto handgun offerings. In the Shield™ EZ®, capacity is 10+1; that translates to 2 more rounds compared to the same pistol chambered in 9mm or .380. In the Shield Plus, the capacity jumps to 16 + 1. More ammo in the mag allows for more shots before reloading. For many CCW owners who don’t carry a spare magazine, these extra rounds provide a significant advantage.
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HansGruber
Ronin
I disagree…a tilt-barrel would be easier, but a blowback would be harder, due to blowback requiring heavier recoil springs…
Talyn
SAINT
Like a PPK.
HansGruber
Ronin
Exactly.
Invisibleflash
Elite
Bobcat...polecat...whatever. if someone made a mini Hellcat .380 I'd buy one or two as a backup. I was looking at the Ruger .380 Max. But too many issues. If the SA .380 was similar in size to a Hellcat I would not buy one. Only interested in super compact and hi cap for .380. If I can't have that I stick with the Hellcat. Why would I go .380 unless a big difference in size.
Talyn
SAINT
"Angrycat" chambered in 30 Super.
Since you get 3 extra rounds in a 10 rd 9mm sized mag, then you could have an extra 1-2 rds in an extended 15 rd Hellcat mag so that adds up to 19-20 rds of 30 Super (more performance than a 380 & breathing on the 9mm performance level) in the original Hellcat size.
Since you get 3 extra rounds in a 10 rd 9mm sized mag, then you could have an extra 1-2 rds in an extended 15 rd Hellcat mag so that adds up to 19-20 rds of 30 Super (more performance than a 380 & breathing on the 9mm performance level) in the original Hellcat size.
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deadduck357
Custom
Less recoil.
deadduck357
Custom
Maybe if it were offered with the manual safety.
deadduck357
Custom
Ruger did just release their new Security 380. It looks quite nice.
I'd buy a 380 Hellcat.
I'd buy a 380 Hellcat.