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Hello and thank you in advance for your help here.

I recently purchased a Hellcat OSP complete with the SMSC. It came with no mounting instructions beyond remove the plate and install the optic. I was under the impression that the SMSc came mounted on the pistol. I was WRONG. Now I have questions. 1) a. Can I use the screws that came in the box with out modifying them? b. Do I need to purchase .5 mm thick washers? 2) Do I need blue Loctite? 3) Do I need to use the clear washers that came in the box? 4) What does the shim look like? I don't see it in the box. 5) What are the torque specs for the screws holding down the SMSc?

Any and all help will be much appreciated
 
Probably better questions for Shield.

1) a. Can I use the screws that came in the box with out modifying them? Depends on the size of the screws. You need M4 screws for the Hellcat. Length depends upon the thickness of the optic. Likely something between 8-9 mm would work. Too short you will not get enough purchase. Too long and it will interfere with the striker. 2) Do I need blue Loctite? I would. 3) Do I need to use the clear washers that came in the box? Not sure where you would use washers? 4) What does the shim look like? Not sure why you would need shims. 5) What are the torque specs for the screws holding down the SMSc? Not sure, but 15 in-lbs is probably safe.

Again, if you want to know the answer to these for certain, contact Shield. If it were me, I would probably just go for it. Mounting a red dot is probably the easiest thing you will ever do to your gun.
 
The online Owner's Manual has some info on installing the optical sights.
The screws can NOT extend more than 0.095" from the bottom of the sight.

If you chose to use thread locker, use sparingly and on screws only.
DO NOT apply thread locker to threaded holes in OSP pocket

HCSafetyManual
 
Hello and thank you in advance for your help here.

I recently purchased a Hellcat OSP complete with the SMSC. It came with no mounting instructions beyond remove the plate and install the optic. I was under the impression that the SMSc came mounted on the pistol. I was WRONG. Now I have questions. 1) a. Can I use the screws that came in the box with out modifying them? b. Do I need to purchase .5 mm thick washers? 2) Do I need blue Loctite? 3) Do I need to use the clear washers that came in the box? 4) What does the shim look like? I don't see it in the box. 5) What are the torque specs for the screws holding down the SMSc?

Any and all help will be much appreciated
I agree with shanneba, and suggest using the guidelines from the manual to the extent possible. However those guidelines seem a little vague to me. I can offer the way I installed mine (SMSc on a Hellcat) and have had zero issues in over a year and probably a couple thousand rounds.

IIRC, I measured the two sets of screws and the shorter of the sets was right at the .095" protruding through the bottom of the mount. I did not use any "Locktite" directly on the screws, and most definitely not in the holes in the slide. I used a small cotton swab dipped in alcohol (the rubbing kind) and cleaned the inside of the mounting hole threads and outside threads of the screws very well, then allowed them several minutes to completely dry.

When everything was completely clean and dry, I put just a tiny dab of blue "Loctite" on my finger and just lightly touched the last couple threads of the screw with the "Locktite". I immediately inserted the screws and just snugged both of them down as equally as possible. Then working from one screw to the other, turned them both in about an 1/8 of a turn at a time till they reached 15 inch pounds measured with a quality torque sensing screw driver. Once at the 15 inch pound torque setting, I used a round, wooden toothpick and dipped it into some white model paint, then just touched a tiny white dot onto the mount and the screw head as 'tell tale' marks to indicate any movement and/or loosening of the screws while using the gun.

Information I had acquired from some source was that the nylon washers were to substitute for any 'thread locking' compound in any event there was an issue with the sight loosening over time. But, with using the tiny amount of "Locktite" that I did use, I've had absolutely no issue with the sight loosening or shifting. I would suggest using one or the other though and if you're troubled by the "Locktite", then use the washers. Double check the screw length if you choose the washers though ....... it may require the longer set with the washers.

Once appropriately mounted, you can adjust the red dot to sit directly on top of the front sight as in a 6:eek:clock hold, or about 1/2 hidden by the front sight for a 'center on' hold. That will get you on paper and pretty close to where you'll eventually want your dot, but you should actually shoot it in to your exact desired POA/POI.

My preference is to sight in (zero) at 10 yds using 124gr 9mm's at about 1150 fps mv. That keeps my trajectory within 1.7" high and/or low out to about 50 yds. I don't ever figure to be in any gun fight at a range of more than 50 yds since I never learned to shoot over my shoulder at a full run. But YMMV !!! Hope this helps a little. (y)(y)(y)
 
I have had my Hex since first received after the backorder when first offered. Installed per instructions, but did not use thread lock, using a fair amount of torque but careful not to overtighten. Today, after maybe 100 rounds, I felt a sharp pain on my nose, right between the goggles. It was the Hex optic that hit me, made a small gash on my nose. When i get some new screws i will definitely be using Locktite (sparingly0.
 
☝️☝️In addition to the "Locktite", I'd suggest painting the two tiny white dots with the wooden toothpick and model paint as 'tell tale' marks. With these marks any movement of either screw is immediately noticeable. ☝️☝️
Great idea. I had observed the optic before i went out back to shoot. First warm day in awhile, so its been a couple of months since last out, should have paid more attention, but a quick check and i was out the door, didn't want to miss a good day. It's those kind of little oversights that can be costly. Thanks for tip. On the plus side, i see where many are having battery issues, mine has been in storage all winter and the dot still bright after those months. Maybe the early runs don't have the same problem.
 
Hello and thank you in advance for your help here.

I recently purchased a Hellcat OSP complete with the SMSC. It came with no mounting instructions beyond remove the plate and install the optic. I was under the impression that the SMSc came mounted on the pistol. I was WRONG. Now I have questions. 1) a. Can I use the screws that came in the box with out modifying them? b. Do I need to purchase .5 mm thick washers? 2) Do I need blue Loctite? 3) Do I need to use the clear washers that came in the box? 4) What does the shim look like? I don't see it in the box. 5) What are the torque specs for the screws holding down the SMSc?

Any and all help will be much appreciated
Alright lets take a breath. First check your hellcat manual under osp section. You will see that it tells you the maximum protrusion the screws can have. If i remember right its 2.4 mm. Now before you go get your calipers ill save you the trip. The screws that come with the smsc are 8mm for the short ones. However the protrusion will be a bit too much. Use the .5mm washer under the screw not the sight and your doing it right. Now since this was a package deal i would measure the screws that came with it. If they measures 7.5mm from the underside of the head to the end of screw then no washer is needed. The shim plate is not needed. Its a 1 degree angle for guns that dont line up right. As for torque aluminum sights with a 4mm thread usually call for 15 in/lb but since this sight is polymer i would just snug it up and not worry about it. As for loctite, yes use it. Just a dot on the threads will do and give it a day to cure.
 
Hello and thank you in advance for your help here.

I recently purchased a Hellcat OSP complete with the SMSC. It came with no mounting instructions beyond remove the plate and install the optic. I was under the impression that the SMSc came mounted on the pistol. I was WRONG. Now I have questions. 1) a. Can I use the screws that came in the box with out modifying them? b. Do I need to purchase .5 mm thick washers? 2) Do I need blue Loctite? 3) Do I need to use the clear washers that came in the box? 4) What does the shim look like? I don't see it in the box. 5) What are the torque specs for the screws holding down the SMSc?

Any and all help will be much appreciated
Hey there, this is my first post and or reply, I am a total newbie... So I came on this question as I was searching various posts related to the Hellcat. All the folks who replied are correct however one word of warning. One of the optic mounting holes is a through hole, if you get any Loctite down in there you will locktite your extractor spring... I recommend, on that hole, just dip a couple threads in the Loctite and insert the screw while holding the rail upside down; then just let it sit like that until dry. This is true on many of the compacts and subs... keep the Loctite out of the extractor!!!
 
Hey there, this is my first post and or reply, I am a total newbie... So I came on this question as I was searching various posts related to the Hellcat. All the folks who replied are correct however one word of warning. One of the optic mounting holes is a through hole, if you get any Loctite down in there you will locktite your extractor spring... I recommend, on that hole, just dip a couple threads in the Loctite and insert the screw while holding the rail upside down; then just let it sit like that until dry. This is true on many of the compacts and subs... keep the Loctite out of the extractor!!!
I recommend not using Loc-Tite at all on optic screws or optic plate screws. Instead, use CLEAN, DRY screws ( as in cleaned with brake free and then left to dry) and observe manufacturers torque specs. I have 12 gauge shotguns with $100 Chinese optics on them ( Romeo 5s), properly torqued and no loc-tite and thousands of rounds through them and nothing has moved. This is another great reason not to use Loc-tite and thanks for the head's up.
 
I have 2 Hellcats - One with a Wasp and the other with a RomeoZero. I have chosen to not use Loktite on them. Instead, I torque them to 10 in/lbs every time I change the battery. I also check the torque needed to remove the screws. SO far, I have had no problems. The screws stay snug.
 
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