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Hellcat RDP sight picture

Friends, I just realized this picture does not show a Wasp RDS ..... that is a Shield RDS (probably a SMSc) mounted on that Hellcat, and yes it does offer 100% co-witness just as shown and exactly like mine. Since I've not yet mounted the Wasp I also have, I can't say exactly what the co-witness is but I've been led to believe it is 100%. But then I've heard others say it doesn't.
 
Friends, I just realized this picture does not show a Wasp RDS ..... that is a Shield RDS (probably a SMSc) mounted on that Hellcat, and yes it does offer 100% co-witness just as shown and exactly like mine. Since I've not yet mounted the Wasp I also have, I can't say exactly what the co-witness is but I've been led to believe it is 100%. But then I've heard others say it doesn't.
On my RDP, the front sight doesn't show its full extent, but maybe a bit more than half. It does make an adequate picture through the glass. The gun would be usable if the sight died. Unlike the picture in the manual, mine is set with the dot (after holding my best sight picture) right on top in the center of the front post. People will say the sights are right on but the dot should be above them.. If that was true the gun would be shooting low. I never had to readjust the dot because I very carefully aligned it just so to the sights. It worked. I get hits on smallish targets out to 25 yards, which is better than I expected. I have iron sights on a S&W SD40 and my groups at 25 aren't even close to the Hellcat's.
 
I'm considering an upgrade to the XD-M Elite 3.8 Compact OSP. The HEX Dragonfly is much larger than the Wasp, so how important is it to cowitness both the red dot and iron sights?
David I have the 10mm version of the compact Elite 3.8 and I put a Holosun 507C on it and I have no concern that I can’t See the iron sights, the red dot is zeroed in and with shake awake the red dot is always there.
 
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Inspecta, it's much easier to demonstrate 100% co-witness than to try to explain it. Look at the attachment in this post and you'll see a perfect representation of 100% co-witnessing on a Hellcat with 'Ball in a bucket' irons. Hope this helps.
Here is the hex wasp image that sold me, i expected a full sight of my irons... I have had the wasp replaced due to eating batteries and just received a new one. It is not the same as the image above, the front of my wasp cuts my front sight by around 60%. I wonder if something has changed height wise on the front of the wasp. I feel there is a little bit of false advertising going on here.
 
I just got a new Armory Life magazine. In it, there is a review of the Hellcat Pro by Scott Conditt. On page 18 there is a photograph of the view through the Hex Wasp sight on this pistol. It shows about half the front post and like I have tried to explain about 4 times, the red dot is lying on top of the front sight.
To co-witness means being able to effectively use the Iron sights if the RD is dead. It doesn't mean a perfect view of the entire front sight. If you can level them off and match the daylight, it is co-witnessing.
 
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I just got a new Armory Life magazine. In it, there is a review of the Hellcat Pro by Scott Conditt. On page 18 there is a photograph of the view through the Hex Wasp sight on this pistol. It shows about half the front post and like I have tried to explain about 4 times, the red dot is lying on top of the front sight.
To co-witness means being able to effectively use the Iron sights if the RD is dead. It doesn't mean a perfect view of the entire front sight. If you can level them off and match the daylight, it is co-witnessing.
With mine I can almost see the whole front site, I would take a pic and post it but I took the red dot off, couldn’t get used to it and just went back to the iron sites
 
Here’s a pic I took back in early March of last year when I got my Wasp. Not great, but gives an idea.

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I just got a new Armory Life magazine. In it, there is a review of the Hellcat Pro by Scott Conditt. On page 18 there is a photograph of the view through the Hex Wasp sight on this pistol. It shows about half the front post and like I have tried to explain about 4 times, the red dot is lying on top of the front sight.
To co-witness means being able to effectively use the Iron sights if the RD is dead. It doesn't mean a perfect view of the entire front sight. If you can level them off and match the daylight, it is co-witnessing.
Conax, I believe the misunderstanding is in the terminology. If the term "100% co-witness" or "absolute co-witness" is used, then the sight picture should allow a full sight alignment/picture using the BUIS with the rds installed and sighted in. Anything less than the 'full' sight picture is something less than 100% co-witness.

In many cases in a handgun, you may see some of the front sight while lining it up with the rear sight, and in some cases it may even be enough to get a reasonable sight picture/alignment which I believe is what Conditt is referring to, but it's not 100% or absolute co-witness.

On long guns it's usually described as 30% co-witness since it usually requires the shooter to view the sights through the lower 1/3 of the viewing window. This is usually not as serious an issues since on a long gun you have a much longer sight radius. With the longer radius, the shooter can simply tilt his head down just a little to gain an almost absolute sight picture, usually within the lower 1/3 of the window, whereas on a handgun the sight radius is much shorter and will typically require a tilting of the handgun. (y)
 
If you say so, JJ. To me it means, can you aim the piece with the sights, or not. Then again, I'm new to the RDS thing.
You would need a deep cut out and a very thin sight to see it all. It's a very small handgun and any deeper cutout would expose the striker parts.
I'm not commenting on these endless complaints about the Hex anymore. It's an endless stream of bellyache.
 
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