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Hot Ammo

Sure, if you like supporting your local gunsmith!
These handguns were not designed for a diet of +P.
Of course, once you verify your chosen load works in your pistol, it would be fine to keep it loaded on your night stand for defensive purposes.
I would NOT make a habit of running this stuff through a High Power in "excellent" condition.
Very soon, it will no longer be in excellent condition.
 
As most regulars on here know, I don’t use or promote any +p ammo for any caliber/gun, with today’s ammo, there is no need for +p ammo, all this ammo does is excellerate wear and tear on the firearm even though it may say rated for +p. If you want a more power, move up to a more powerful round, just my opinion.
 
iklwa said:
Sure, if you like supporting your local gunsmith!
These handguns were not designed for a diet of +P.
Of course, once you verify your chosen load works in your pistol, it would be fine to keep it loaded on your night stand for defensive purposes.
I would NOT make a habit of running this stuff through a High Power in "excellent" condition.
Very soon, it will no longer be in excellent condition.
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Thanks for the info, will stick with 124 grain Hornady Critical Defense
 
Annihilator said:
As most regulars on here know, I don’t use or promote any +p ammo for any caliber/gun, with today’s ammo, there is no need for +p ammo, all this ammo does is excellerate wear and tear on the firearm even though it may say rated for +p. If you want a more power, move up to a more powerful round, just my opinion.
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Yup.
It is not bad to have a box or two around, but unless the gun is mil spec, I would not run mil spec ammo by the thousands.
 
"MILSPEC" is not "NATO" necessarily.
MILSPEC M882 (since around 1984) is "NATO": https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-military-ammo-specifications.141373/
A 9mm NATO round would be like a 9mm +P round in terms of pressure. 9mm NATO is’s definitely snappier because it’s designed to hit 1250+ feet per second out of a standard pistol. Most commercial 9mm ammo is going around 1100 feet per second with a 115 grain bullet.
That's measured from a 200mm (8 inches) NATO test bbl at 16m (53 ft) at around 265 MPa (38,425 psi).
Bullet mass is not specified.

AFAIK, modern guns, from modern manufacturers, are all rated for +P ammo.
It will increase the wear? Yeah. Also, the normal bullet shooting creates wear. Only an unused gun doesn't wear.
 
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SoNic said:
"MILSPEC" is not "NATO" necessarily.
MILSPEC M882 (since around 1984) is "NATO": https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-military-ammo-specifications.141373/
A 9mm NATO round would be like a 9mm +P round in terms of pressure. 9mm NATO is’s definitely snappier because it’s designed to hit 1250+ feet per second out of a standard pistol. Most commercial 9mm ammo is going around 1100 feet per second with a 115 grain bullet.
That's measured from a 200mm (8 inches) NATO test bbl at 16m (53 ft) at around 265 MPa (38,425 psi).
Bullet mass is not specified.

AFAIK, modern guns, from modern manufacturers, are all rated for +P ammo.
It will increase the wear? Yeah. Also, the normal bullet shooting creates wear. Only an unused gun doesn't wear.
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I understand this.
As for the modern gun part, I know of one for sure that I just bought last year and the company has said that it is not designed for nato (or plus p). As far as they are concerned you can shoot it, but it is at your own risk and they are debating on if they should stand behind their warranty if it was used, because as you said it will cause a firearm to wear out faster if the firearm was not designed for it.
So again, I say unless the company making the fire arm says plus p is ok, I would not be running very much of it through my firearms.
 
the obsrver said:
I understand this.
As for the modern gun part, I know of one for sure that I just bought last year and the company has said that it is not designed for nato (or plus p). As far as they are concerned you can shoot it, but it is at your own risk and they are debating on if they should stand behind their warranty if it was used, because as you said it will cause a firearm to wear out faster if the firearm was not designed for it.
So again, I say unless the company making the fire arm says plus p is ok, I would not be running very much of it through my firearms.
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the obsrver said:
Nato the 1152 is not a nato round
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NATO= North Atlantic Treaty Organization

“NATO” is just that. +P is just that, it is loaded hotter than your standard round as is +p+. There is a slight confusion in NATO, 7.62x51 compared to .308 Winchester that being the dimensions. Same with 5.56x45 and .223. Someone saying not to shoot a NATO round, I’m a little confused. Someone to say not to shoot a steady diet of +p I can agree with. Winchester was awarded the contract, not only for the M1152 but also for the M1153 the 1152 being the FMJ and 1153 being JHP, in which SOF guys get to use those rounds. The 1152 being used for normal combat and training. Yea Winchester has made it available to us. “Citizens”
 
iklwa said:
Sure, if you like supporting your local gunsmith!
These handguns were not designed for a diet of +P.
Of course, once you verify your chosen load works in your pistol, it would be fine to keep it loaded on your night stand for defensive purposes.
I would NOT make a habit of running this stuff through a High Power in "excellent" condition.
Very soon, it will no longer be in excellent condition.
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Well, considering the BHP was rated to run 9mm NATO standard, which does run hotter than 9mm commercial loads, you’d be a bit wrong on that point.
 
HansGruber said:
Well, considering the BHP was rated to run 9mm NATO standard, which does run hotter than 9mm commercial loads, you’d be a bit wrong on that point.
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i never suggested running +P would explode the High Power. What I said was the use of that fodder will greatly accelerate wear and tear.
I doubt seriously a factory would warranty the use of such and it would be fairly easy to deduce its use by examining the internals of the failed firearm.
I say, Go for it if you want.
I wouldn't...
 
iklwa said:
i never suggested running +P would explode the High Power. What I said was the use of that fodder will greatly accelerate wear and tear.
I doubt seriously a factory would warranty the use of such and it would be fairly easy to deduce its use by examining the internals of the failed firearm.
I say, Go for it if you want.
I wouldn't...
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Really?

Do you really think that running a few magazines of +P is going to damage the pistol?

Again—the BHP was a NATO approved sidearm, and ran NATO rated ammunition (which was loaded to, and pressure rated, to be reliable in SMG’s as well as sidearms); adopted by several nations' militaries...as well as such folks as the SAS and the FBI's HRT.

I highly doubt those last two organizations watered down their ammunition for fear of damaging the pistol...in fact, just stop and consider their training/operating tempos for a moment, and realize that those pistols were likely having thousands of rounds put through them every month (and, knowing some sharp-end guys right now, a couple thousand rounds a week isn’t out of the question). If there really was a problem with the platform and warmer ammunition, it would have come to light a LONG time ago...yet, it didn’t.

Do basic maintenance. Replace your recoil & firing pin spring every couple thousand rounds. If you really want to run hot loads constantly, probably run a heavier recoil spring (and possibly stiffer magazine spring).

But a few +P loads will NOT harm the pistol, despite what people say.
 
If you had read my post, you would have noted that I told the original poster that I didn’t believe keeping it loaded with +P on his nightstand would be detrimental after thoroughly testing it for functionality.

I liken this topic to:

Was I fortunate enough to own a Jaguar XK-E Type in “excellent” original condition, even though this was the first production vehicle able to exceed 150 MPH, it would do no good in protecting the machine’s value or longevity to enter it in races or blast continually down the Texas Highway between Houston and San Antonio at 100 MPH. Sure, it could do it for a while, but would it be smart?

I don’t think so.
 
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