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How do i get a **** manual?

NMEDGE said:
Boy have times changed! I guess i am getting old.
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Many times I've said to a CS human, once I got one on the phone, that all this high tech stuff is fine for the next generation. But those of us born literally before B/W TV was available to the general public are still alive and trying to survive in a high tech world. Give it another 10 years, 20 at most and the least of use will be gone. Then everyone alive will have pretty much grown up with computers, etc, etc, in their lives from almost day 1. Take a little pity on us old codgers and let us live out our lives without being forced into the so-called high tech world. I do alright with email, and I can shop on Amazon a little, but I don't have a clue how to deal with a PDF file. I usually can find a little help, but I hate to have to do it. I dunno, maybe jus' me!!! Hell, I still can't set a clock on a VCR!
 
MrMichaelActual said:
I am not sure pdf manuals are about trees or paper, I feel like companies try to do whatever is the easiest and most convenient for the most amount of customers at once. This changes as time and technology move on... these days probably most folks have a smart phone or tablet or computer, thus any manual for anything on earth is just a Google search away. I rebuilt my Arisaka and used a manual I found on forgottenweapons.com when necessary.
Nowadays, because I do not want to go get a box out of the closet to get a manual, all PDF manuals for anything I own are on a tablet, so I can work on a gun with the tablet sitting on my bench, so convenient, and it helps because I can make the pictures bigger where necessary for my old eyes. Same if I am taking the dryer apart or working on my car, and if I want to get really weird I can just stick all of my manuals in the cloud and open them from anywhere on earth on any device.
just my personal thoughts anyway.
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The emphasis above is mine! Mr Mike, you are undoubtedly correct in that most folks have these things, primarily because they are totally dependent on them for so many things. But other than what they are forced to use them for, and how well versed they are in using them is a whole other issue. I already wrote what I can do with a computer, but even in those few things I often get lost, confused, and so frustrated I end up screaming at the computer screen (kidding, but I'd often like to). So the fact is we've been forced in to using them, but it just doesn't come naturally for us like it does for those who grew up with them. But I'll bet you I can drive a stick shift car or dial an analog phone with the best of them.
 
jumpinjoe said:
The emphasis above is mine! Mr Mike, you are undoubtedly correct in that most folks have these things, primarily because they are totally dependent on them for so many things. But other than what they are forced to use them for, and how well versed they are in using them is a whole other issue. I already wrote what I can do with a computer, but even in those few things I often get lost, confused, and so frustrated I end up screaming at the computer screen (kidding, but I'd often like to). So the fact is we've been forced in to using them, but it just doesn't come naturally for us like it does for those who grew up with them. But I'll bet you I can drive a stick shift car or dial an analog phone with the best of them.
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Yes sir I totally get your point Joe. I grew up just in time to see and have the first home computers ever and my dad was a nerd, so I happened to have grown up keeping pace with the technology. Now I seem to have out nerded my dad but conversely my kids and grand kids (I started early) speak a whole new techy language and I am sure they will in turn, soon leave me behind. I figure that as long as I am still working I will be keeping up by default due to what I do, which is engineering, but if I had to guess, as soon as I am done working and lose the need to keep up, I will be OBE within a few weeks... such is life.

Also, if you have any nerd level computer or tech questions you need help with just message them to me on here if you wish.
 
I read about this somewhere else but cannot remember where. Supposedly, because who knows who anyone online really is, a person in one of the gun companies who deals with such decisions, joined the conversation.

According to this person companies have switched to online manual because the majority of customers want it that way, they are faster and easier to access and do not get misplaced. Therefore printed manuals are basically a waste of money for the very few customers who prefer a hard copy, when even hard copies are easily printed in various locations such as Staples, if one does not have a printer at home.

True? Who knows, BUT having worked in big business, auto industry and suppliers, for 20 odd years, I can certainly see that logic being used to eliminate manuals.
 
MrMichaelActual said:
Yes sir I totally get your point Joe. I grew up just in time to see and have the first home computers ever and my dad was a nerd, so I happened to have grown up keeping pace with the technology. Now I seem to have out nerded my dad but conversely my kids and grand kids (I started early) speak a whole new techy language and I am sure they will in turn, soon leave me behind. I figure that as long as I am still working I will be keeping up by default due to what I do, which is engineering, but if I had to guess, as soon as I am done working and lose the need to keep up, I will be OBE within a few weeks... such is life.

Also, if you have any nerd level computer or tech questions you need help with just message them to me on here if you wish.
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Well, Mr Mike I certainly appreciate your offer. But hopefully I won't have a need to bother you since I have nieces/nephews and kids all over the neighborhood who can set the clock on a VCR faster than I can find the power switch. ;);) It's not quite that bad, but it sure can get frustrating at times. Thanks again, as much for understanding as the offer to help. I think I'll put you in for a raise!
 
Sld1959 said:
I read about this somewhere else but cannot remember where. Supposedly, because who knows who anyone online really is, a person in one of the gun companies who deals with such decisions, joined the conversation.

According to this person companies have switched to online manual because the majority of customers want it that way, they are faster and easier to access and do not get misplaced. Therefore printed manuals are basically a waste of money for the very few customers who prefer a hard copy, when even hard copies are easily printed in various locations such as Staples, if one does not have a printer at home.

True? Who knows, BUT having worked in big business, auto industry and suppliers, for 20 odd years, I can certainly see that logic being used to eliminate manuals.
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I think this is absolutely true. Most/many of those Mr Mike and I just identified (who grew up with hi tech) are so well versed in the personal smart phone and such, they want nothing to do with paper for anything. Example: When the wife and I decided to move into a retirement community, we offered a lifetime of family photographs that had been collected over several generations and well protected/preserved by those who came before my wife as caretaker. We tried to give the albums to a number of the younger generations ... and every one of them said: "Well, if you had them on a phone, I'd probably take them. But I don't want to mess with all those pictures.

Now I can understand their mindsets, the phone is so much easier for them than leafing through who knows how many pages and albums of pictures, some from several generations ago. Needless to say, we hated to do it, but we eventually saved maybe a hundred or so, but the rest went to the trash. A collection spanning several families over several generations depicting the births, lives and deaths of many family members. I can tell you, I'm not a very sentimental man in most cases, but it really was hard to see all that history go into the dumpster. But like I said earlier, today's folks want it instantly, and the best way for them to get it is via hi-tech. Oh well, long live Polaroid and Kodak.
;):D
 
jumpinjoe said:
Well, Mr Mike I certainly appreciate your offer. But hopefully I won't have a need to bother you since I have nieces/nephews and kids all over the neighborhood who can set the clock on a VCR faster than I can find the power switch. ;);) It's not quite that bad, but it sure can get frustrating at times. Thanks again, as much for understanding as the offer to help. I think I'll put you in for a raise!
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you have the clock set on your VCR...??

you still own a VCR...???

i let the damned clock blink 12:00....it's hipnotic, and puts me to sleep


(by the way, i really DO HAVE a combo VCR/DVD machine), it works, i just don't use it anymore, and i need the 12:00 blinking
 
jumpinjoe said:
I think this is absolutely true. Most/many of those Mr Mike and I just identified (who grew up with hi tech) are so well versed in the personal smart phone and such, they want nothing to do with paper for anything. Example: When the wife and I decided to move into a retirement community, we offered a lifetime of family photographs that had been collected over several generations and well protected/preserved by those who came before my wife as caretaker. We tried to give the albums to a number of the younger generations ... and every one of them said: "Well, if you had them on a phone, I'd probably take them. But I don't want to mess with all those pictures.

Now I can understand their mindsets, the phone is so much easier for them than leafing through who knows how many pages and albums of pictures, some from several generations ago. Needless to say, we hated to do it, but we eventually saved maybe a hundred or so, but the rest went to the trash. A collection spanning several families over several generations depicting the births, lives and deaths of many family members. I can tell you, I'm not a very sentimental man in most cases, but it really was hard to see all that history go into the dumpster. But like I said earlier, today's folks want it instantly, and the best way for them to get it is via hi-tech. Oh well, long live Polaroid and Kodak.
;):D
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thing is too, that once a manual is printed, who knows how long a gun can sit in a warehouse, before it is sold...case in point, my CZ 75 B, was made in 2017, and i bought it in 2020.....

before that, the dealer didn't have any in stock, as people were buying CZ's as soon as they came in, and so the LGS was always out of stock. that was told to me by the owner of the store. so i had to put down a deposit, to ensure i got one.

so in that amount of time, who knows how many updates/corrections were made to a manual..??

so it is quicker to update information online, much like when i check the powder website for updates to my reloading charges.

but i too fall into the "old fashion way" of doing things.....i prefer a copy with the purchase. i think it "completes" the package deal, when i sell it some day, with the OEM box, lock, and factory manual.
 
mikep said:
maybe. maybe, not.
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Old_Me said:
you have the clock set on your VCR...??

you still own a VCR...???

i let the damned clock blink 12:00....it's hipnotic, and puts me to sleep


(by the way, i really DO HAVE a combo VCR/DVD machine), it works, i just don't use it anymore, and i need the 12:00 blinking
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Only reason I still have a VCR is for my porn tapes!!! C'mon Old_Me, what do you use yours for? Aw, C'mon, I won't tel!!!!
;) :):D And damn the clocks (torpedoes) ... full speed ahead!!! Or whatever speed works for you!!!
 
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