Lexie__M
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So are you saying: you shoot black powder firearms
Is 5.7x28mm Just Overpriced .22 Magnum?
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WellArmed
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I'm saying these new latest and greatest calibers (fads) are mostly gimmicks to sell more guns and to solve problems that don't really exist. They aren't going to stand the test of time just like many of the old flavors of the month before them IMHO.So are you saying: you shoot black powder firearms
TEXASforLIFE
SAINT
AND don't forget the creed-no- more lovers
. BTW, I own several and wish I didn't waste money on them. Never mind, my kids will probably like them!
TEXASforLIFE
SAINT
Don't forget the prc line!
Hammer67
Professional
I get your point, but I'm not sure what caliber you're referring to? 5.7x28? If so, it's over 30 years old - not exactly 'new.'
If I had to guess, those might be 2004 numbers, but I'd have a hard time believe they are 2024 numbers. "In service" and actually in use aren't necessarily the same thing. I bet there are a lot of P90s gathering dust these days. Secret Service and a few other agencies/units might employ them for special use cases, but beyond that, I'm not sure what the compelling reason would be, over other available options that are ballistically superior.
Hammer67
Professional
Btw, this article is a good read, with references and linked sources, including Fackler's testing and conclusions on 5.7x28:
www.usacarry.com
The Paul Harrell vid linked in the article is worth a watch as well.
One thing that stood out to me was that the article cites that Fackler found that out of the P90 (10.4" barrel), 5.7x28 rounds travelled at an avg. velocity of 2,239 fps with a 31gr load.
BBTI lists multiple 30gr. .22 WMR loads capable of reaching 2,100 fps out of a 10" barrel.
Just How Powerful IS 5.7x28mm?
Just how powerful IS 5.7x28mm? Some people seem to think it's a new standard in personal protection rounds. Is it though? Read on....
www.usacarry.com
The Paul Harrell vid linked in the article is worth a watch as well.
One thing that stood out to me was that the article cites that Fackler found that out of the P90 (10.4" barrel), 5.7x28 rounds travelled at an avg. velocity of 2,239 fps with a 31gr load.
BBTI lists multiple 30gr. .22 WMR loads capable of reaching 2,100 fps out of a 10" barrel.
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Hammer67
Professional
On the pistol side of things, let's look at the ballistics using the Ruger 57 from this article:
www.americanrifleman.org
Out of the 5" barrel of the 57, velocities of 1,663-1,790 were achieved with several different ammo options. Those velocities are also consistent with what Harrell chrono'd.
If we refer back to the BBTI chart for .22 WMR, we see multiple ammo options achieving 1,650 - 1,723 fps out of a 5" barrel.
So yeah, I remain unconvinced that "there is no realistic comparison" to be made here. It might just be a comparison that 5.7 fanboys don't want to admit.
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Tested: Ruger-57 Pistol
With familiar controls and a price tag within reach of the everyman, Ruger’s new handgun aims to revive the 5.7x28 mm FN cartridge.
Out of the 5" barrel of the 57, velocities of 1,663-1,790 were achieved with several different ammo options. Those velocities are also consistent with what Harrell chrono'd.
If we refer back to the BBTI chart for .22 WMR, we see multiple ammo options achieving 1,650 - 1,723 fps out of a 5" barrel.
So yeah, I remain unconvinced that "there is no realistic comparison" to be made here. It might just be a comparison that 5.7 fanboys don't want to admit.
TEXASforLIFE
SAINT
I can't say I'm a fanboy, but I wouldn't mind having a s&w 22mag like the 5.7. They did release it.On the pistol side of things, let's look at the ballistics using the Ruger 57 from this article:
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Tested: Ruger-57 Pistol
With familiar controls and a price tag within reach of the everyman, Ruger’s new handgun aims to revive the 5.7x28 mm FN cartridge.
Out of the 5" barrel of the 57, velocities of 1,663-1,790 were achieved with several different ammo options. Those velocities are also consistent with what Harrell chrono'd.
If we refer back to the BBTI chart for .22 WMR, we see multiple ammo options achieving 1,650 - 1,723 fps out of a 5" barrel.
So yeah, I remain unconvinced that "there is no realistic comparison" to be made here. It might just be a comparison that 5.7 fanboys don't want to admit.
Hammer67
Professional
Yeah, the Walther WMP is kind of tempting as well. But it's not something I can really justify - I already own plenty of other things that do everything it does, but better.
WellArmed
Master Class
Seems like every
Well I stand corrected. I've never heard of it and I'll guarantee you that most others never heard of the round until FN introduced their (expensive) offering a few years back. At that point, many started jumping on the bandwagon.
WellArmed
Master Class
Ditto
HansGruber
Ronin
You want a bottlenecked .22 that fits in a handgun?
Get a .22TCM. 40gr bullet @ 2100+ fps out of a 5” barrel.
Better platform (1911) to boot.
Get a .22TCM. 40gr bullet @ 2100+ fps out of a 5” barrel.
Better platform (1911) to boot.
WellArmed
Master Class
What's the purpose though. I'm trying to understand. What is a .22TCM, 5.7X28mm, etc going to kill that a regular 9mm or the like can't equally stop and/or kill for less?
Plus, the only time ot makes since to use a 5" or longer firearm is for home defense, hunting, or defense against 4 legged predators. Why would anyone choose a .22TCM, 5.7X28mm, etc for those task?
(Not loaded questions. I really want to know.)
HansGruber
Ronin
Recoil; it doesn’t really have any out of my widebody 1911.
Additionally, the 9# recoil spring makes operating the slide easy for pretty much anyone.
WellArmed
Master Class
I wasn't aware that recoil was an issue especially with 9mm out of a full size 9mm or 45acp handgun. It doesn't seem like the primary buyers of these calibers are recoil sensitive either. Most of the people who I see talking about these calibers own dozens of 9mm's, 45acp's, ARs, shotguns, 38/357 revolvers, etc....
HansGruber
Ronin
You don’t have RA (rheumatoid arthritis).
WellArmed
Master Class
I added on to my post to address that point.