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Judge argues 2A does not apply to illegal aliens

Bassbob said:
Where does it say it applies to non citizens ? Can they vote ? No? Then what would make anyone think they are entitled to own guns ? Any power not expressly given in the constitution doesn’t exist. Could congress legislate those rights to non citizens ? Possibly. Have they ? No.
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The Constitution says to EVERYONE.

Technically, that includes everyone living outside the US as well…but it’s practically unenforceable in those cases.
 
Bassbob said:
Where does it say it applies to non citizens ? Can they vote ? No? Then what would make anyone think they are entitled to own guns ? Any power not expressly given in the constitution doesn’t exist. Could congress legislate those rights to non citizens ? Possibly. Have they ? No.
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That is a gross misunderstanding of the Constitution, my friend.

It limits what the government can do; if it doesn’t say the government can limit it—

IT CAN’T.
 
HansGruber said:
That is a gross misunderstanding of the Constitution, my friend.

It limits what the government can do; if it doesn’t say the government can limit it—

IT CAN’T.
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Any power not expressly given to the federal government is assumed by the states I reckon. A little confusion on my part.

Nevertheless, “ The people” referred to in the constitution are American citizens. Not illegal invaders. And I’d be willing to bet this ruling stands.
 
Bassbob said:
Any power not expressly given to the federal government is assumed by the states I reckon. A little confusion on my part.

Nevertheless, “ The people” referred to in the constitution are American citizens. Not illegal invaders. And I’d be willing to bet this ruling stands.
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Well, that’ll depend on if the Court stands in its current theory of “if the law existed when the Constitution was drafted, it’s OK”…or if they’re utter hypocrites (I’ll put my money on the latter).

This is the very definition of “originalism”, by the way. Several justices claim to be just that.

Tell me—were there any laws in the 1780’s that prevented non-citizens from owning firearms?
 
HansGruber said:
Well, that’ll depend on if the Court stands in its current theory of “if the law existed when the Constitution was drafted, it’s OK”…or if they’re utter hypocrites (I’ll put my money on the latter).

This is the very definition of “originalism”, by the way. Several justices claim to be just that.

Tell me—were there any laws in the 1780’s that prevented non-citizens from owning firearms?
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Give me any instances of constitutional rights being extended to non citizens.
 
Bassbob said:
Not really. I mean you’re trying to apply historical examples of gun laws that affect non citizens. Non citizens have never been able to legally own guns here.
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“Never” is a very strong word; please provide examples of laws from the late 18th and early 19th centuries that prevented non-citizens from buying firearms.
 
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