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Lethal Dangers in Extreme Close Quarters Defense

3L120 said:
Sorry to say, Hilda, but in a wheelchair, a knife is only usable if the suspect makes a grab for you. Otherwise, you should depend on a firearm, preferably a wheelgun. You are in a conundrum as to defense. If the suspect stays at a distance, i.e. more than 3 feet, you will have to depend on an accessible handgun.
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Hi, thanks-what is a "wheelgun"? While not deadly force issues, I Have had kids come behind me and push canned goods from grocery shelf on my head, (cuts) several laughed at end of isle and shoved grocery carts at me, full speed, knocked stuff off my lap-heavy big stool & needed stitches, pushed me towards street from behind, grabbed chair and spun me in circles. One guy pulled me out of checkout line saying he was tired of standing and I could just sit. Totally no way for self defense but I asked store security if they had video for charges-they didn't want to get involved. Have searched for mirrors to fit on chair to see behind but no luck. I have seen spiked slip on handle covers for w/c but then my son -or anyone- is unable to help when needed. Really worried about "gun grab" and found 1 Etsy person-Larson Tactical- that makes level 2 for Hellcat Pro but $$ savings just went for 7 lb Nemo -Chi Mix-with serious pneumonia.($600) Thanks for all your input. Blessings.
 
A wheel fun is a revolver, the cylinder being the "wheel" . In close quarters one of the most instinctive and natural motions is the push, punch or shove. Two weapons lend themselves to this better than most, the push type knife and the snubby revolver, especially of the "hammerless" variety. The pistol is not good here as it easily goes out of battery when the muzzle is depressed.

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WheelingHilda said:
Hi, thanks-what is a "wheelgun"? While not deadly force issues, I Have had kids come behind me and push canned goods from grocery shelf on my head, (cuts) several laughed at end of isle and shoved grocery carts at me, full speed, knocked stuff off my lap-heavy big stool & needed stitches, pushed me towards street from behind, grabbed chair and spun me in circles. One guy pulled me out of checkout line saying he was tired of standing and I could just sit. Totally no way for self defense but I asked store security if they had video for charges-they didn't want to get involved. Have searched for mirrors to fit on chair to see behind but no luck. I have seen spiked slip on handle covers for w/c but then my son -or anyone- is unable to help when needed. Really worried about "gun grab" and found 1 Etsy person-Larson Tactical- that makes level 2 for Hellcat Pro but $$ savings just went for 7 lb Nemo -Chi Mix-with serious pneumonia.($600) Thanks for all your input. Blessings.
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OMG Wheeling - where do you live and shop? That sounds like a horrid neighborhood indeed. If there is no chance of you moving away - then possibly OC spray could add to your lineup of self defence. A punch knife could be a consideration depending upon your upper body strength.
 
Hi Trader, I live in a great suburb of Mpls. Burnsville and shop usually at Target, one incident at Wal-Mart. I do wear a small push dagger-Urban Pal. Someone would have to be in front of me trying to grab me or gun, I'm, just turning 78 in a few weeks. Can't be vaccinated so have to wear mask. I worry that someone will reach over me to grab gun but I keep it well hidden with clothing. Also carry Mace with dye in it. When Nemo's vet bill is done I plan or getting the level 2 holster. Any thoughts? Thanks for your reply.
 

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Regarding a close in attack with a firearm, I’ve been there, at bad breath distance. I can attest that it happens almost too fast to comprehend. I was fortunate that he was clicking on empty chambers giving me time to pull. My best suggestion is to point shoot with a two hand grip held in close. Practice, practice, practice. I’m not going to put a hand beyond my muzzle, but that is my opinion.
 
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Shibadog said:
Maybe it’s just me, but having my thumb BEHIND the slide of an auto looks like a real good way to break your thumb if that pistol is fired….
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If you press forward firmly and keep the barrel from unlocking, it’s not painful at all; the slide doesn’t move a millimeter.

I’ve done it with Glocks (including a 21) and my thumbs suffered no damage.

It’s a neat trick, but…are you REALLY gonna remember it when your tangled up & fighting? I doubt it.
 
In my thirty-six years in LE, with over thirty as a firearms instructor through local and federal agencies, I have learned that there are three types of instructors. One type is where someone goes through a basic class and is deemed “competent”. The second is someone who wants to be known as someone who came up with the latest and greatest idea, no matter how sill. The last is someone who loves firearms, knows what he or she is teaching and has the best training for their students.

In my previous post, I talked about the technique of striking to the face of the stresses while canting your body away. As the firearm is drawn, the pistol is brought next to the strong side hip, canted slightly outward to prevent the slide from snagging on clothing. The reactionary hand then is retracted to cover your head and neck area from the aggressor. At this time your firearm is a bout two feet from your adve4sary and no part of your body in front of your firearm as you fire.

Folks, remember that your semi auto has a “disconnecter bar”. The purpose of the disconnected bar is to prevent the firearm from firing when the gun is “out of battery”. It only takes the slightest amount of rearward movement on the barrel/muzzle-about an eighth of an inch or so-to move the firearm out of battery and unable to shoot. The best you could hope for then is to retract the firearm from contact with the aggressor and hope that your recoil spring and guide rod assemble puts your firearm back into battery.

Time and space are your friends. Use it. Also remember the kiss principal, keep it simple, stupid. Don’t let the bad guy have a chance to grab your firearm, don’t overthink a process where you want to use both hands on your firearm, or try to adjust your grip to push on the rear of the slide. If you don’t put your firearm out of battery on purpose, then none of these other techniques are needed. Why would want to purposely take your firearm out of service. In addition to ensuring that you have created a safe operational area to use your firearm, you also free up your reactionary hand in the event it is needed to protect yourself from the assailants attack, whatever it might be.

Know how your firearm works and make your training realistic.
 
First of all…Wheeling Hilda, I hope you are doing well! Keep on posting.

Now for pistolas. As I have probably mentioned, I worked LAPD for 23 years before being retired for injuries. During that time, my Model 38 Airweight Jframe was my backup to my K-15, later my Smith5904. I still carry her. Bought in 1971, not well over 50 years! Also have a semi-auto Bodyguard 1, which I carry. None of that, “if you push on the muzzle, it will not fire” stuff. It is not striker fired, with a trigger pull similar to that of the wheelgun bodyguard. I can live with that. I prefer a small, very concealable firearm, to a larger, less concealable firearm. Enough of a pistol/revolver to cover me while I get myself/family out of the way.

Now..if I am going into an area where I truly expect problems; I.e.South L A south Tucson, then I am packing a shoulder rig with my 5904 or a CZ-40. No sense being stupid in what I carry. My suggestion is what I carry may not be what you carry! Sometimes the situation is not a “Katie, bar row door” situation. But sometimes it is. The primary purpose, in my opinion, is to get your ass out of a situation you don’t want to be in!
 
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