Let's see your AR setups...
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WellArmed
Master Class
The M&P is the pistol and the chassis is the equivalent to what a stock is an AR pistol aka an accessory. That's how I understand it, but open to being wrong. Do you have a link to the info where you heard this so I can educate myself. I understood the requirement to be that engravings ONLY needed to be done for trust and when you're the manufacturer of the firearm, i.e., 80% lowers. I just got into the sbr game so I could be wrong and way off base
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Talyn
SAINT
You beat me to it.
WellArmed
Master Class
With the courts killing the 80% receivers aka ghost gun rule change, hopefully the brace rule will be next
WellArmed
Master Class
I've done 4 SBRs and never was a requirement to engrave the stamp number.
Talyn
SAINT
Only when you apply for and make an SBR/SBS using the ATF Form 1 or ATF eForm 1 are you required to engrave your applicant information on the SBR/SBS. Note: The SBR/SBS that you are purchasing using the ATF Form 4 may contain the engravings from the maker on the SBR/SBS. That is normal and shouldn't be removed.
Do You Need to Engrave your ATF Form 4 SBR/SBR?
When you apply for an ATF Form 1 tax stamp to make or manufacture an SBR/SBS NFA firearm, you are required to engrave the name of the maker on that NFA firearm. For example: John Smith, Columbia, Missouri for an individual application or John Smith Gun Trust, Columbia, Missouri for a gun trust...
www.nationalguntrusts.com
WellArmed
Master Class
Thanks! Seems that we're both partially right. What that seems to say and what information on their site states is that the "name" and "location" of the "maker" or trust needs to be engraved that's it in addition to the serial number. Doesn't look like the stamp number gets engraved but rather the name and location.Only when you apply for and make an SBR/SBS using the ATF Form 1 or ATF eForm 1 are you required to engrave your applicant information on the SBR/SBS. Note: The SBR/SBS that you are purchasing using the ATF Form 4 may contain the engravings from the maker on the SBR/SBS. That is normal and shouldn't be removed.
Do You Need to Engrave your ATF Form 4 SBR/SBR?
When you apply for an ATF Form 1 tax stamp to make or manufacture an SBR/SBS NFA firearm, you are required to engrave the name of the maker on that NFA firearm. For example: John Smith, Columbia, Missouri for an individual application or John Smith Gun Trust, Columbia, Missouri for a gun trust...
Then there The Truth about Guns article that states what other on forums debates have stated that the markings only have to be there if and when you sell it.
Seems to be a big debate on gun forums with everyone swearing up and down one thing or another. I just go into the game, so I guess I'll end up having to contact the ATF for CYA final say on what's the proper way to do this. Too much conflicting information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention else I wouldn't have known anything about it either way.
Hopefully the whole brace thing gets overturned soon so all of us can go back to using pistols.
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RikersBeard
Operator
Oh yeah, I have an AR as well. 
Diamondback DB-15, which was my later father's rifle. It's not much, but she shoots just fine for my needs.
For those wondering, being in CA, I didn't want to go featureless. So I installed the Cross Armory Fixed magazine locking system and Quick Pins. Other add-ons was the Bushnell Red Dot (my dad had it on there already), Magpul BUIS, Magpul MOE+ grip, Radian Raptor-LT charging handle, Magpul MS1 2-point sling and Magpul RSA attachment.
Diamondback DB-15, which was my later father's rifle. It's not much, but she shoots just fine for my needs.For those wondering, being in CA, I didn't want to go featureless. So I installed the Cross Armory Fixed magazine locking system and Quick Pins. Other add-ons was the Bushnell Red Dot (my dad had it on there already), Magpul BUIS, Magpul MOE+ grip, Radian Raptor-LT charging handle, Magpul MS1 2-point sling and Magpul RSA attachment.
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wmaes85
Operator
good old COMMIEFORINA so happy I left that vile excuse of a state.Oh yeah, I have an AR as well.
For those wondering, being in CA, I didn't want to go featureless. So I installed the Cross Armory Fixed magazine locking system and Quick Pins. Other add-ons was the Bushnell Red Dot (my dad had it on there already), Magpul BUIS, Magpul MOE+ grip, Radian Raptor-LT charging handle, Magpul MS1 2-point sling and Magpul RSA attachment.
Talyn
SAINT
One way or another the pistol (handgun) used on an MCK chassis to make an SBR has to be "linked" to the ATF tax stamp #. Therefore, on any polymer-framed pistol the identifying # would have to be engraved onto the metal slide; or on an SBS engraved on the receiver according to my LGS who processes NFA items.
I decided it wasn't worth it to go the SBR/SBD route for either a braced MCK and a braced Shockwave so I went with the CAA adapter set-up, and stuck with the original Shockwave grip.
My .02
WellArmed
Master Class
I believe what threw me off was listening to other publications and YouTube personalities talk about SBR's during the brace forbearance. It was just told to me that anyone who did a form one during the brace amnesty period didn't need to engrave any and could adopt the engravings of the manufacturer.
You are correct that now everyone has to add their info (name and location) to the gun. Yea, it's not worth it now, but would have been during the amnesty period.
RikersBeard
Operator
Talyn
SAINT
Yea, my frame of reference is only the MCK system, and initial thinking about keeping a brace set-up on a Shockwave, but the hassle isn't worth it.
The new MCK adapter + single point sling works pretty well once one gets used to it.
Good luck on anything you're trying to figure out.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Guess you have never been to TexasNo state is perfect.
…Well, your Kalicommies came to Austin, so I guess you're right.
No state is perfect .
You can have them back, BTW
RikersBeard
Operator
Texas isn't as free as you think.Guess you have never been to Texas
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Well, your Kalicommies came to Austin, so I guess you're right.
No state is perfect .
You can have them back, BTW
Texas
Texas lawmakers continue to sit on their hands and refuse to enact foundational gun safety laws. See which gun laws Texas has enacted.
everytownresearch.org
You want all the fReEdUms...move to Mississippi.
Good luck with your own power grid too!
And hey, I'm just playing around.
I too wish we had a bit more laxed laws aka handgun roster to be gone. Ugh...so dumb.
Bassbob
Emissary
You noticed that the only laws that apply are the ones in dark blue right ? The rest of those laws are laws that Texas doesn't have. Hell, their gun laws are almost as 2A friendly as Missouri's.Texas isn't as free as you think.
Texas
Texas lawmakers continue to sit on their hands and refuse to enact foundational gun safety laws. See which gun laws Texas has enacted.
You want all the fReEdUms...move to Mississippi.
Good luck with your own power grid too!
And hey, I'm just playing around.
I too wish we had a bit more laxed laws aka handgun roster to be gone. Ugh...so dumb.
WellArmed
Master Class
I agree it's not worth it. I wanted to get a similar setup for my APX but it's not worth the trouble. Hopefully the rule will be thrown out nationwide like the "ghost gun" rule was.
RikersBeard
Operator
Fair enough.You noticed that the only laws that apply are the ones in dark blue right ? The rest of those laws are laws that Texas doesn't have. Hell, their gun laws are almost as 2A friendly as Missouri's.
Still doesn't make me want to live or visit Texas. LOL
Bassbob
Emissary
Well everything ain’t for everybody.
I lived in Buena Park for a couple years in the 80s. I do have to go to the Santa Cruz mountains soon and visit an old friend before he dies, but other than that I will never willingly enter Kalifornia.
I understand why people are leaving, what I don’t understand is why they try to Kaliforniaize their new cities and states after they move out. If it’s so great, please stay there.