Muzzle in a safe direction is more than a suggestion

[Warrior9(Ret)]

I assume that’s SOP. It amazes me the stupid shite people do. It’s like when Alec shot that gal on the movie set. How the F does that still happen ? Might as well build a trailer park in Kansas.

When my Company got task organized to an Armored Battalion for our deployment to Bosnia in 1995 weeks got stuck during Force Protection. I got so bad that soldiers were shooting the clearing barrel that either myself or my Platoon Leader had to be posted at the clearing barrel and verbally talk soldiers through the proper steps.
My warped sense of humor wasn’t appreciated when I put a 25m Zero target in the barrel. Got my butt chewed on my the Task Force Commander.
I explain to him that I had just come off of Drill Sergeant duty for 3 years and I thought my training aid would stop people from doing something stupid.

 

[ECS686]

Indeed.

They say there’s two kinds. You either had an ND or you will. I call BS. I never have and I’ve been at it just about exactly as long as you brother. And I have no plans to start doing dumb shite now.

Really having an AD is not a big deal AS LONG as muzzle is in a safe direction. Is ZERO human contact and property damage.
It’s the ones like in the pic I posted that have the issue. You try and minimize the severity of it is to magically go off and some folks can’t control themselves and sometimes even the best trained get bit

I have seen a mechanical failure on machine guns and even some handguns that we had to warm on them because the round and slide/bolt would not eject. Muzzle at the berm while we did what we had to do with rubber mallets.

 

[KillerFord1977]

Really having an AD is not a big deal AS LONG as muzzle is in a safe direction. Is ZERO human contact and property damage.
It’s the ones like in the pic I posted that have the issue. You try and minimize the severity of it is to magically go off and some folks can’t control themselves and sometimes even the best trained get bit

I have seen a mechanical failure on machine guns and even some handguns that we had to warm on them because the round and slide/bolt would not eject. Muzzle at the berm while we did what we had to do with rubber mallets.

There is a massive difference in clearing a known jam or seized up weapon versus cleaning your own damn gun and not clearing it first.
Like huge difference.
Apples and piles of difference

 

[Warrior9(Ret)]

Really having an AD is not a big deal AS LONG as muzzle is in a safe direction. Is ZERO human contact and property damage.
It’s the ones like in the pic I posted that have the issue. You try and minimize the severity of it is to magically go off and some folks can’t control themselves and sometimes even the best trained get bit

I have seen a mechanical failure on machine guns and even some handguns that we had to warm on them because the round and slide/bolt would not eject. Muzzle at the berm while we did what we had to do with rubber mallets.

The ever famous “Bolt Override” on the M16. 2 rounds trying to go into the chamber at the same time.
I broke several wooden Range Paddles when I was a Drill Sergeant clearing the stoppage.
The worst is when a stuck round goes off when the feed tray cover is open on a M249 SAW

 

[Warrior9(Ret)]

Really having an AD is not a big deal AS LONG as muzzle is in a safe direction. Is ZERO human contact and property damage.
It’s the ones like in the pic I posted that have the issue. You try and minimize the severity of it is to magically go off and some folks can’t control themselves and sometimes even the best trained get bit

I have seen a mechanical failure on machine guns and even some handguns that we had to warm on them because the round and slide/bolt would not eject. Muzzle at the berm while we did what we had to do with rubber mallets.

Every time they’re was a AD we had to fill out a SIR (Serious Incident Report) and turn them into the Operations Center.
The ranks of those who did the AD were from Private to Colonel

 

[ECS686]

There is a massive difference in clearing a known jam or seized up weapon versus cleaning your own damn gun and not clearing it first.
Like huge difference.
Apples and piles of difference

My point was folks should never say never! ain’t nobody on the forum that perfect!

Have seen other “Ad”s where a gun was dropped and the user tried to Cath it and well thumb went into the trigger guard.

And before the criticism this was before we learned to let guns hit the ground and not to drop them as folks were injured. And nobody was hit in that situation.

 

[no life]

I'm not surprised these things happen all the time and the internet lets us see it. There's at least 100 utube channels that show and talk about bad gun handling skills/things.

A "fortunate" thing for me the times i went to a range, a couple of indoor and times at a family friend's backyard range (nice to have 50+ acres in a 2A freeish state) there were no oops, somebody flagging or any discharges(?). And most of the bullets i shot hit the targets i wanted to hole up(kill). And to be that dude... i'm just as accurate as the gun i'm shooting, i hit the barrier behind the target every time missing the ceiling/sky and the ground.... lol...

I even started to practice gun safety after learning about gun safety things(8+ years ago), with toy guns like cap and nerf ones. To make sure i will do my best to be safe with any gun. A "mishandled" nerf gun shot, hit the floor..... lol..... and a tiny unloaded cap gun is across this room "aimed" at a back wall toward their backyard. Is that over-the-top to be practicing gun safety?

 

[Arthur Shelby]

I've had a ND trying to clear a weapon but it was pointed in a safe direction.
Luckily I didn't break enough safety rules to lose anything of value.