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New Ronin 5” 9mm Magazine Problems

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1911Shooter

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Hello, looking for some advice regarding my new full size 1911 Ronin 9mm purchase. I had a disappointing first day at the range due to the way the rounds actually went into the magazines. It appears the spring pressure is so strong that after putting 4-5 rounds into the mag it will start to deform the thin material the mag is made from. Some rounds fail to fully seat against the back spacer portion of the mag that appears to run down the back of the magazine. With this condition the gun will not cycle and fully strip the round from the magazine and fully go into battery. Hopefully I am explaining this for everyone to fully understand. What should I do on my own to help resolve this problem? Has anyone else experienced this? I have purchased 2 Wilson Combat mags in hopes to resolve this issue. I have also contacted Springfield who has promptly responded with an answer of returning the complete gun and mags which I am trying to avoid the hassle of.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
That’s odd but having said that it being a new pistol and new mags, they could be stiff. If possible load a few rounds then “tap” the mags on the palm of your hand to seat the ammo and continue to load. I would personally leave the mags loaded for a few days. I’d like to have seen a picture of what you were describing with the magazine. Keep us posted on how the WC mags do.
 
1911Shooter said:
Hello, looking for some advice regarding my new full size 1911 Ronin 9mm purchase. I had a disappointing first day at the range due to the way the rounds actually went into the magazines. It appears the spring pressure is so strong that after putting 4-5 rounds into the mag it will start to deform the thin material the mag is made from. Some rounds fail to fully seat against the back spacer portion of the mag that appears to run down the back of the magazine. With this condition the gun will not cycle and fully strip the round from the magazine and fully go into battery. Hopefully I am explaining this for everyone to fully understand. What should I do on my own to help resolve this problem? Has anyone else experienced this? I have purchased 2 Wilson Combat mags in hopes to resolve this issue. I have also contacted Springfield who has promptly responded with an answer of returning the complete gun and mags which I am trying to avoid the hassle of.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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If you load just the 4-5 rounds does the gun function? Load, shoot, reload???
If you say yes then I’m betting it’s not the gun but a very stiff spring in the magazine’s.
What are the Springfield mags made of??? Until you get the Wilson Combat mags Try loading 4 rounds, then 24 hours later 1-2 more and so on until full, this will allow the spring to compress (relax) slowly. Good luck.
 
Thank you for the replies. It’s difficult to get a clear picture of the deformity and odd angle the loaded rounds become pushed into.
To answer your question regarding functionality....the gun will either significantly jam or not fully seat the round into the chamber...some rounds could be pushed into full battery by pushing the back of the slide others simply would not move from the mag at all.

I am going to carefully load several rounds and let the mags sit overnight as you guys mentioned.

I really want to point out I am in no way dissatisfied with how Springfield has responded to my issue. They have been very prompt and courteous in trying to resolve the issue.
I just may appear more disappointed with the gun so far than I need to. However this was a considerably costly purchase for me and just expected a better experience right off the get go as I have with other brands of 1911’s I’ve purchased of lesser or equal value.

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.
 
1911Shooter said:
Thank you for the replies. It’s difficult to get a clear picture of the deformity and odd angle the loaded rounds become pushed into.
To answer your question regarding functionality....the gun will either significantly jam or not fully seat the round into the chamber...some rounds could be pushed into full battery by pushing the back of the slide others simply would not move from the mag at all.

I am going to carefully load several rounds and let the mags sit overnight as you guys mentioned.

I really want to point out I am in no way dissatisfied with how Springfield has responded to my issue. They have been very prompt and courteous in trying to resolve the issue.
I just may appear more disappointed with the gun so far than I need to. However this was a considerably costly purchase for me and just expected a better experience right off the get go as I have with other brands of 1911’s I’ve purchased of lesser or equal value.

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.
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It is completely understandable to be upset or disappointed when your new firearm doesn’t function. I have and would be the same way. There are a lot of smart folks on here that are more than willing to help out and offer advice and may be able to work out your situation. I think your on track with loading the mags, although if possible try and load to its capacity (7 or 8) whichever. Just load a few tap it on your hand load a few more, let those sit and run the WC mags while those sit.

When you loaded a couple rounds are you releasing the slide with the slide stop or slingshot method? Also is the mag getting fully seated in the pistol? After reading your latest post about it jamming and not seating it seems the mag is not fully seated? I’m just speculating here of course but, and I’m sure you know, once you insert your mag tap the bottom “pretty” good to make sure it’s seated grab the back of the slide and let it go see if it will chamber a round. Try 3-4 rounds in a mag and see if your still getting problems.
 
It seemed like the magazines went in hard, as if the top round was too far forward and dragging against the inside of the frame going in. I was careful and aware to make sure the mags were fully inserted. One mag goes in slightly better than the other with the aforementioned 4-5 rounds. The mag I had the most trouble with shows on the left side an actual mark in the mag that runs 3/4 the length of the mag, like its dragging on something going in.
It was obvious immediately I had a problem with the functionality of the gun and I was careful to look for the obvious when trying to load the mag and insert it into the gun. I will attest this is my first 9mm 1911 and the 9mm do definitely sit differently in the magazines than any 45ACP I’ve ever had. In the 9mm mags it seems there’s a spacer of sorts that keeps the round from fully going back against the farthest rear portion of the mag, this spacer seems to hinder the round from actually sitting in the position it needs to in order to be stripped into the chamber.

The photo shows the spacer at the rear of the mag I’ve mention. Yes the top round appears to be where it needs to be, however the round under it is dipped forward and away from the rear of the slide. When this round makes it to the top it will not be extracted from the mag or if it did clear the mag it squares off with the feed ramp due to the angle of the round
 

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1911Shooter said:
It seemed like the magazines went in hard, as if the top round was too far forward and dragging against the inside of the frame going in. I was careful and aware to make sure the mags were fully inserted. One mag goes in slightly better than the other with the aforementioned 4-5 rounds. The mag I had the most trouble with shows on the left side an actual mark in the mag that runs 3/4 the length of the mag, like its dragging on something going in.
It was obvious immediately I had a problem with the functionality of the gun and I was careful to look for the obvious when trying to load the mag and insert it into the gun. I will attest this is my first 9mm 1911 and the 9mm do definitely sit differently in the magazines than any 45ACP I’ve ever had. In the 9mm mags it seems there’s a spacer of sorts that keeps the round from fully going back against the farthest rear portion of the mag, this spacer seems to hinder the round from actually sitting in the position it needs to in order to be stripped into the chamber.

The photo shows the spacer at the rear of the mag I’ve mention. Yes the top round appears to be where it needs to be, however the round under it is dipped forward and away from the rear of the slide. When this round makes it to the top it will not be extracted from the mag or if it did clear the mag it squares off with the feed ramp due to the angle of the round
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Man that picture or picture angle just doesn’t look right??
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BangBang....thank you for noticing. That back part of the mag I mention as the spacer I feel is my entire problem. The pictures you show the mags do not have that spacer and the round fully seats against the back of the magazine.
In my picture the round is pushed back as far as it will go....which is why I stated these 9mm mags are “very” different than any .45acp 1911 I’ve ever worked with. The only way I could show what I was dealing with was to show you how my 9mm round set within the magazine and as far back as the round could be pushed.
Thank you for your reply and pictures.
 
HansGruber said:
Are those 9mm or .45 mags?

9mm 1911 mags often have that spacer at the rear to ensure proper function, as the 9mm round is shorter than .45’s.

It almost rounds like the springs in the magazine are binding— @1911Shooter , have you tried disassembling the magazine?
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They are 9mm, from what I gathered he said. From that picture though it still doesn’t appear that those rounds are fully seated, to me?? I don’t know. Your right though most 9mm mags do have that inside the mags. Here is a picture of Mec Gar, SA OEM, Remington and Novak 9mm mags.
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I actually did disassemble the mag that functioned the worse but found nothing out of the normal.
Currently I have both mags loaded to full capacity in order to see if it will drop some tension and possibly load as normal tomorrow or in the near future.
Once again I am very impressed by Springfields response to the issue of trying to figure out how to remedy the situation. They have sent all required information to return the magazines for inspection. I would like to see how stretching the springs work prior to going through the return.
Thank you all for your responses and help
 
I just bought a full size 9mm Range Officer Target - which is not a million miles different from the Ronin - and I've used Kimber, SA, and Wilson Combat mags with it with not a single problem. I've put about 400 rounds through it. I've also got the 5inch .45 Ronin and it has also been trouble free. I'm sorry to hear about the problems you've been having, I hope this does end up just being a mag issue. Have you tried your Wilson Combat mags?
 
I received Chip McCormick mags with my 9mm 1911 and found the only way I have been able to get full functionality was to fully load the magazines and let them set awhile then unloaded after a few days. Had a few issues at the range and started smacking the palm with the loaded mag and no issues. I also listen for an audible click when the round is reaching the back of the magazine.
 
Ok so here's some good news folks. It appears that loading the magazines and letting them sit has helped tremendously. Also I feel the gun was rather dry at my first range session.

After striping the Ronin down and giving it a good oiling plus compression of the mag springs gave me an exceptional performance at the range today. My Wilson Combat mags should arrive Monday or Tuesday of next week. I'm going to continue the compression of the factory mags as I feel this is the solution to the factory springs being excessively sprung.

15 yard performance was 1 -2 inch grouping slightly high of center. Banging a steel plate at 50 yards was quite fun as well. I really like the factory sights and the trigger is exceptional. I thought there would be actually less recoil as it was very similar to .45 I fealt.

Thank you all once again for all the help, it is greatly appreciated.
 
That great to hear. A good tip, as you saw is to keep it lubed. It doesn’t have to be drenched but lubed. Glad it has worked out for you and sounds like it is a shooter.
 
So my new Wilson Combat mags showed up today. The instructions that came with them recommended loading the mag and letting it sit overnight prior to use due to how heavy the spring is in them. I was only able to get 8 in the mag as 9 and 10 were going to go in rather hard. The magazine on the left in both photos is the Wilson. As you can see the spacer at the rear appears to be plastic or some sort of polymer. This is Wilson part number 500-9...1911 Elite Tactical Magazine 10 round with ETM Base Pad. I’ll report back after I get them to the range.
 

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I also purchased this Wilson Magazine as well. It was slightly cheaper than the Wilson mag in my other post. As you can see this is a 9 rounder with no base pad however it’s drilled and tapped for one. This Wilson mag has the metal spacer at the rear of the mag similar to the factory mag. This mag does not nearly have the spring pressure of my other Wilson or factory mags. I was able to load 9 rounds into it very easily. This mag is part number 920-9FS9, 920 Series 1911 Magazine 9 round.
 

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