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Official: Dodge, Jeep, and Ram Are Done...

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with American Auto Shows. Parent company Stellantis cited “a challenging automotive market” in the decision to end its participation in auto shows.
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Official: Dodge, Jeep, and Ram Are Done With American Auto Shows

Stellantis cited "a challenging automotive market" in its decision to skip auto shows in the U.S. and Canada for the foreseeable future.
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in all my life, i have NEVER gone to an auto show, camping show, boat show, fishing show, Home show, custom car show, motorcycle show, flower show.....and any other stinking show

if i ever wanted to see the newest and latest things..??

1) i'd go to the dealerships of the cars, trucks, and walk around on a Sunday morning, when NO SALESMAN is there, and then viola(sp?)......LOOK...!!

2) i do not go camping, hunting, fishing, i care less about custom cars, motor homes, boats, new home gadgets, flowers,

not only that, but you have to pay an admission to enter those shows, and parking as well......why pay, when i can go for FREE on a Sunday morning..????

so maybe.......Stellantis finally took my que...???
 
A neighbor bought a brand new top of the line Dodge Ram truck out of state last year. In a matter of weeks it developed an issue that neither the local dealer or the original out of state dealer can figure out. Nor can the factory engineers. Several trips from AZ to CA trying to fix it with the truck in the shop(s). No loaner.

Randomly on turning corners, the engine would die. He finally hired a lawyer to lemon law the truck. That's been going on for months now with the new Ram sitting outside in the driveway. In the mean time he bought a new GMC truck.
 
I don't really take this as being specifically symptomatic of the auto industry, or those specific companies - it's symptomatic of the dying usefulness of trade shows in general, and has been happening across many industries over the last 5 years in particular.

Trade shows are dying a slow death because they are a relic of a pre-internet era, and most companies just don't need the expense and additional work it takes to have a big presence at a trade show anymore in order for them to launch their new models - there are many alternative ways to create a lot of "new model hype" without a trade show these days. I have attended trade shows as a representative of a company - it is a lot of work and cost. Those marketing dollars can often be spent a lot more effectively, and reach a much larger audience, in other ways.
 
az4783054 said:
A neighbor bought a brand new top of the line Dodge Ram truck out of state last year. In a matter of weeks it developed an issue that neither the local dealer or the original out of state dealer can figure out. Nor can the factory engineers. Several trips from AZ to CA trying to fix it with the truck in the shop(s). No loaner.

Randomly on turning corners, the engine would die. He finally hired a lawyer to lemon law the truck. That's been going on for months now with the new Ram sitting outside in the driveway. In the mean time he bought a new GMC truck.
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regarding that engine dying, going around corners..??

true what Chrysler found decades ago, when all engines had carburetors....

when going around "some corners" at various speeds, and angle of entering the corner, Chrysler found that the float bowl would empty out...Chryslers fix was for the dealers to remove the top of the carburetors and install a slosh shield (or baffle) in the float bowl to prevent this condition.


when ever i had to rebuild a Chrysler carb, i had to make damn sure i reinstalled that baffle...!!!!


I'd be "wondering" if the fuel line pressure was dropping at times in fuel injected engines like you neighbors Ram was doing..??? as there is an "inertia switch" that regulates and shuts off the fuel flow in all fuel injected engines, in events such as a roll over or collision.........!!!!!!

when he was going around corners, you, me, do not know his speed when doing so, that could have very well been the overall issue.......that inertia switch reading the trucks "yaw" going around those corners.......


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Vehicle Pitch, Roll and Yaw - Liske Forensics

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I drove a gmc with that similar issue. I didn't take it to the dealer to get fixed (someone else did). Of coarse they hooked it to the comp and it stated it was the crank position sensor. NOPE! Went back again. Then they changed the throttle position sensor. NOPE! This time I took it to the dealer and asked about what sensors were connected to which other 1. After enough replies I figured it out for them. It was the fuel system. Although the fuel filter was fairly clean, it was changed, fuel system was cleaned, but no need for the in tank fuel pump to be changed. Never had a problem with it dying again. The comp isn't always correct as new techs don't understand old school tech or the lack of tech. They just change parts when it could be a connection or a wire broke giving false info.
 
TEXASforLIFE said:
I drove a gmc with that similar issue. I didn't take it to the dealer to get fixed (someone else did). Of coarse they hooked it to the comp and it stated it was the crank position sensor. NOPE! Went back again. Then they changed the throttle position sensor. NOPE! This time I took it to the dealer and asked about what sensors were connected to which other 1. After enough replies I figured it out for them. It was the fuel system. Although the fuel filter was fairly clean, it was changed, fuel system was cleaned, but no need for the in tank fuel pump to be changed. Never had a problem with it dying again. The comp isn't always correct as new techs don't understand old school tech or the lack of tech. They just change parts when it could be a connection or a wire broke giving false info.
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which is why, i NEVER recommend a Firestone, or any other branded tire store.

i know, i worked at 1 and only 1 Firestone store, and much like Sears and KMart auto centers, anyone remember those.??

they didn't have mechanics, but parts changers, working on commission sales....you needed a battery..????

well you most likely got an alternator as well, maybe even an oil change, and maybe even a tune up.

total rip off places....when i worked at that 1 Firestone, it was the worst time of my career. i have never been so ashamed to have worked there.

if you want good, dependable HONEST work, seek out a small to mid-sized garage. you will know you found a good place, when t takes like 1 to 3 weeks to get your car in.....

i worked in 1 dealership good place, a uh..oh...yes.......a Buick dealership, and they had a GREAT lead mechanic......but he'd get stumped once in a while, and when he did..?? in came the Buick engineers.......

i only went to the tire store for that job, cuz my shop shut down abruptly, and i had 6 mouths to feed and keep a roof over them......

i was able to find a GREAT small gas station garage that had excellent customers and equipment.....which by the way..??

the parts changers at those tire stores...??

hardly know how to use it.......

by the way, as i recall, when a crank sensor went bad..??? the car wouldn't start...GM's were notorious for them cracking
 
Old_Me said:
in all my life, i have NEVER gone to an auto show, camping show, boat show, fishing show, Home show, custom car show, motorcycle show, flower show.....and any other stinking show

if i ever wanted to see the newest and latest things..??

1) i'd go to the dealerships of the cars, trucks, and walk around on a Sunday morning, when NO SALESMAN is there, and then viola(sp?)......LOOK...!!

2) i do not go camping, hunting, fishing, i care less about custom cars, motor homes, boats, new home gadgets, flowers,

not only that, but you have to pay an admission to enter those shows, and parking as well......why pay, when i can go for FREE on a Sunday morning..????

so maybe.......Stellantis finally took my que...???
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I've been to all of those. They've each been boring
 
We can blame this one on Elon Musk, Carvana, and COVID-19. Tesla proved (at least in California) that a storefront was all that was needed to get folks hyped on the car. Throw in the lockdown and almost all sales happened online.

With margins being what they are, saving money on car shows makes good business sense.
 
I used to go to the Chicago Auto show when I was in the market just to see all the new models without the badgering of car salesmen, but as of late that's all they show are some type of concept cars, $85,000 Jeep Cherokee's and $90,000 full size pick-ups...
 
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