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oh the aching irony..??

Old_Me

Old_Me

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well i hadn't seen anyone else say something, but...


with President Trump and Elon going into federal offices, firing people, closing down departments....the left seems to be screaming more and more, that the US Constitution is being violated...

that, from those that are taking away our 2nd Amendment...????

I watched Mark Levin last night (on Fox) and he pretty much painted that picture of the left wanting to actually be the ones destroying our Constitution one Amendment at a time.

oh the "aching" irony
 
Pitdogg2 said:
The government bureaucracies have gotten way out of hand and far too large, I applaud the reduction in work force and the amount of waste, BUT some of it seems brutal in the way they are going about it.
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This 👆
Should have been a panel of brilliant minded business folks just like the supreme court with an odd number and they take a majority vote on what gets cut. Say like 5 people such as the shark tank folks for an example.

the whole approach is over the top bad optics. What they are doing is wonderfull. One man marching army is bad optics in a democratic society
 
Pitdogg2 said:
The government bureaucracies have gotten way out of hand and far too large, I applaud the reduction in work force and the amount of waste, BUT some of it seems brutal in the way they are going about it.
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i don't find it brutal. in 2009 i was "summoned" to a conference room along with about 45 of my colleagues and told we were let go. boom, just like that. i was on the wrong end of a reduction in workforce. it's business. no hard feelings. i got another job.
 
mikep said:
i don't find it brutal. in 2009 i was "summoned" to a conference room along with about 45 of my colleagues and told we were let go. boom, just like that. i was on the wrong end of a reduction in workforce. it's business. no hard feelings. i got another job.
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Did they give you a severance or a few months of healthcare?

At my company they slashed about 300 folks in one fell swoop. They had some sort of severance and a bit of healthcare to get to the next job or take care of procedures they were in the middle of.
I've heard some of these people just had all their stuff cut off and we're let go they either found out by a text or when they showed up their badge and their building was locked and nobody could get in.
That is very bad optics.
 
mikep said:
i don't find it brutal. in 2009 i was "summoned" to a conference room along with about 45 of my colleagues and told we were let go. boom, just like that. i was on the wrong end of a reduction in workforce. it's business. no hard feelings. i got another job.
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I feel the same way. I’ve never been fired in my life and I attribute that to my endeavoring to make myself invaluable to my employers. I also learned enough different skills that I feel like no matter what you could drop me anywhere and I could support myself.

It is a shame a lot of the newly unemployed federal workers are probably too old to go find meaningful employment elsewhere, but it just goes to show that you should never get so comfortable at your job that your life depends on you being employed there.
 
Pitdogg2 said:
Did they give you a severance or a few months of healthcare?

At my company they slashed about 300 folks in one fell swoop. They had some sort of severance and a bit of healthcare to get to the next job or take care of procedures they were in the middle of.
I've heard some of these people just had all their stuff cut off and we're let go they either found out by a text or when they showed up their badge and their building was locked and nobody could get in.
That is very bad optics.
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Maybe. If people start making a stink about that kinda stuff though you can bet your ass we’ll be right back in this same situation 4 years from now.
 
Pitdogg2 said:
Did they give you a severance or a few months of healthcare?

At my company they slashed about 300 folks in one fell swoop. They had some sort of severance and a bit of healthcare to get to the next job or take care of procedures they were in the middle of.
I've heard some of these people just had all their stuff cut off and we're let go they either found out by a text or when they showed up their badge and their building was locked and nobody could get in.
That is very bad optics.
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Texas is a right to work state.
An employer can terminate you for any number of reasons, and one being a reduction of staff. Thats life.
One “works” for a company.
 
as a long time gov employee and now a retiree
the biggest issue in my time was the BUILT IN bureaucracy when you changed commands.

it was not the military folks ..it was the older than Moses, civil service folks that felt no matter what the military leaders wanted to do to benefit the actual service member, we were always met with STOP force from the old civil employees that somehow thought they ruled the roost.

i admit you need a certain core of folks to maintain continuity, because NEW commanders are a guarantee every 24 to 36 months, if not sooner. just like the lower ranks, we change out 24 to 36 months of not sooner.

over time those "continuity" folks tended to grow, all the while with no real justification for the additional personnel
then these persons created rice bowls and heaven help anyone that questioned their actions or policies, especially when those policies were in contradiction to good order or actual REAL policies.

now i am not saying all civil service peoples are bad..no way
but the mission creep is very real and new positions are often created when they are NOT NEEDED , then those folks are in and its hard to RIF( reduction in force) or re-assign or even get rid of the position.

my last job at redstone arsenal we had 2 different offices within PEO aviation doing the SAME JOBS for the fleet user, but it had happened becasue one was under the aviation arm and the other under aviation support equipment.
but these 2 offices didnt talk to each other nor attend meetings or planning events, despite being in the same building, and same FLOOR.

it took a dumb retired sailor to accidentally stumble, fall, etc into a set of meetings and discover this, by asking the question heard around the world being one of those "I know butt" trying to catch up with the effort since i had just been hired and needed to catch up to help the aviators.
the army had spent over 40 million on research and development both programs and still had ZERO product to help the fleet of aviators.

the solution came from, of all places the people that put up the dining facilities and deal with POTABLE water, a system that had been solved decades earlier...so implementing the solution to the aviators was easy and costs were vastly lower as the gear was already in the system.

so for me seeing an outside entity doing a real look to see what could be moved or re-assigned or vacated is a WONDERFUL thing
yes some people may get RIF or re-assigned ...but its all our tax dollars and we SHALL be getting our money worth
whether its contractors, civil service or even some active duty JOBS
 
It’s way past time that the size of the Federal government was reined in. We have entire departments that have been created to do things the government has no business being involved with. That, and wasteful spending on an incredible scale that needs to stop. We borrow trillions to give away-find ANY logic in that. The navy in the last few years has built entire classes of warships at incredible costs that simply fail to work (Zumwalt destroyers, two classes littoral combat ships that we being decommissioned because of problems while at the same timenew, identical ones were still being built😳. The updated Iowa BB’s were the most powerful non nuclear ships in the world when they were retired because they were “to expensive to operate”. Thirty six Zumwalts were planned with a new high speed low drag longe range 5” gun to replace them for shore bombardment (‘course only three were built for billions of $$ AND they NEVER had ammunition for their gun because the ammunition was $1,000,000 per round🙄.). The littoral ships, both classed had structural deficiencies that prevented them from operating at their designed speeds among other things like cracks in the hull. The BB’s could have been keep in service for many decades for the $$$ that was thrown away on these boondoggles
 
Pitdogg2 said:
Did they give you a severance or a few months of healthcare?

At my company they slashed about 300 folks in one fell swoop. They had some sort of severance and a bit of healthcare to get to the next job or take care of procedures they were in the middle of.
I've heard some of these people just had all their stuff cut off and we're let go they either found out by a text or when they showed up their badge and their building was locked and nobody could get in.
That is very bad optics.
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i was doing custom work so i stuck around for a couple months extra. severance packages were based on seniority then after that you were on your own collecting state unemployment and paying for heath insurance via cobra. i landed another job while finishing up my projects and didn't need to go on unemployment.
 
Shibadog said:
It’s way past time that the size of the Federal government was reined in. We have entire departments that have been created to do things the government has no business being involved with. That, and wasteful spending on an incredible scale that needs to stop. We borrow trillions to give away-find ANY logic in that. The navy in the last few years has built entire classes of warships at incredible costs that simply fail to work (Zumwalt destroyers, two classes littoral combat ships that we being decommissioned because of problems while at the same timenew, identical ones were still being built😳. The updated Iowa BB’s were the most powerful non nuclear ships in the world when they were retired because they were “to expensive to operate”. Thirty six Zumwalts were planned with a new high speed low drag longe range 5” gun to replace them for shore bombardment (‘course only three were built for billions of $$ AND they NEVER had ammunition for their gun because the ammunition was $1,000,000 per round🙄.). The littoral ships, both classed had structural deficiencies that prevented them from operating at their designed speeds among other things like cracks in the hull. The BB’s could have been keep in service for many decades for the $$$ that was thrown away on these boondoggles
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and yet, we that are on SS have to scrimp and save, use coupons, and do with out year after year, then only get a mere 2% Cost of living raise..???

i hope Trump sends billions into the SS system....that, and i'd like to see at the very least, a $3,000 a month SS check.

christ, we put into the system week after week, year after year, and they base our SS on what like the top 35 years...??

ALL years ought to be counted
 
Old_Me said:
and yet, we that are on SS have to scrimp and save, use coupons, and do with out year after year, then only get a mere 2% Cost of living raise..???

i hope Trump sends billions into the SS system....that, and i'd like to see at the very least, a $3,000 a month SS check.

christ, we put into the system week after week, year after year, and they base our SS on what like the top 35 years...??

ALL years ought to be counted
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I’d be happy if they’d just put USAID $$ in social security and cut off everybody over 120😏
 
I'm all in favor of cutting waste and the bloated government workforce. But it needs to be done with reason and purpose. Audit each department and cut what needs cutting. Keep what's good. Trump and Musk are just wildly swinging the axe with no regard to where the chips fall. And it sure don't help that they're gloating about it all over the news. This is gonna come back and bite us on the ass.
 
I was one of the lucky ones. My father stressed to me from the time I got my first job that Social Security was a pyramid scheme and it would NOT be there for me when I was old enough to retire. So he started me out early on to plan for retirement without factoring in Social Security. I listened to him and planned. I am 60 now and have been retired for about 6-7 years. Anyone can do it if they start early and have the discipline to follow the plan. When I do finally start drawing Social Security I have told my wife that is car and gun money!
 
powerboatr said:
as a long time gov employee and now a retiree
the biggest issue in my time was the BUILT IN bureaucracy when you changed commands.

it was not the military folks ..it was the older than Moses, civil service folks that felt no matter what the military leaders wanted to do to benefit the actual service member, we were always met with STOP force from the old civil employees that somehow thought they ruled the roost.

i admit you need a certain core of folks to maintain continuity, because NEW commanders are a guarantee every 24 to 36 months, if not sooner. just like the lower ranks, we change out 24 to 36 months of not sooner.

over time those "continuity" folks tended to grow, all the while with no real justification for the additional personnel
then these persons created rice bowls and heaven help anyone that questioned their actions or policies, especially when those policies were in contradiction to good order or actual REAL policies.

now i am not saying all civil service peoples are bad..no way
but the mission creep is very real and new positions are often created when they are NOT NEEDED , then those folks are in and its hard to RIF( reduction in force) or re-assign or even get rid of the position.

my last job at redstone arsenal we had 2 different offices within PEO aviation doing the SAME JOBS for the fleet user, but it had happened becasue one was under the aviation arm and the other under aviation support equipment.
but these 2 offices didnt talk to each other nor attend meetings or planning events, despite being in the same building, and same FLOOR.

it took a dumb retired sailor to accidentally stumble, fall, etc into a set of meetings and discover this, by asking the question heard around the world being one of those "I know butt" trying to catch up with the effort since i had just been hired and needed to catch up to help the aviators.
the army had spent over 40 million on research and development both programs and still had ZERO product to help the fleet of aviators.

the solution came from, of all places the people that put up the dining facilities and deal with POTABLE water, a system that had been solved decades earlier...so implementing the solution to the aviators was easy and costs were vastly lower as the gear was already in the system.

so for me seeing an outside entity doing a real look to see what could be moved or re-assigned or vacated is a WONDERFUL thing
yes some people may get RIF or re-assigned ...but its all our tax dollars and we SHALL be getting our money worth
whether its contractors, civil service or even some active duty JOBS
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Sounds like you needed Doge at PEO avaition site 😁
 
I honestly don't give a rat's patootie about the loss of employment in the government realm. They are WAY bloated and the only way to save the economy is through massive governmental layoffs in order to alleviate the tax burden on citizens and pay down the $37 trillion deficit. I. Don't. Care.

I have complained about the amount of taxes I have to pay for almost 20 years now, so I reiterate: Couldn't care less - in fact, I encourage more of the same until the deficit is paid off and my tax burden is FAR less than it is today.
 
Shibadog said:
It’s way past time that the size of the Federal government was reined in. We have entire departments that have been created to do things the government has no business being involved with. That, and wasteful spending on an incredible scale that needs to stop. We borrow trillions to give away-find ANY logic in that. The navy in the last few years has built entire classes of warships at incredible costs that simply fail to work (Zumwalt destroyers, two classes littoral combat ships that we being decommissioned because of problems while at the same timenew, identical ones were still being built😳. The updated Iowa BB’s were the most powerful non nuclear ships in the world when they were retired because they were “to expensive to operate”. Thirty six Zumwalts were planned with a new high speed low drag longe range 5” gun to replace them for shore bombardment (‘course only three were built for billions of $$ AND they NEVER had ammunition for their gun because the ammunition was $1,000,000 per round🙄.). The littoral ships, both classed had structural deficiencies that prevented them from operating at their designed speeds among other things like cracks in the hull. The BB’s could have been keep in service for many decades for the $$$ that was thrown away on these boondoggles
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OM wholly flushing money down the drain boondoggle called zumwalt litoral crap show
i was still on active duty when they came up with that bannana party
got my rear in a vice a few times over it and how we as h60 guys were being double dutied to cover the failure of this little waste of money, on FFGs



i wanted to bring back the hydrofoils ...now that was a low water water boat that flew ...no pun intended and had a big deck gun
drug boats never out ran them babies
 
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