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I've just ran into what I think is a very good deal on an S&W .22/32 'Kit gun' ...... a mod 34-1 in an almost never fired condition. I know the pre '58 models are the better ones, and those even earlier are most prized. But I also know even the -1's are pretty sought after.

This particular one is pristine .... if I had to give it a rating it would have to be in the 95%-98% bracket. According to the story (I have no reason to doubt knowing the source) it had one cylinder full fired through it when it was first bought in early 1975, then put up for safe keeping and if needed. The bluing is perfect, there's no holster or other wear on the blue at all, even the varnish or whatever finish on the grips is not scarred or scratched.

It's still in the original box, with the original cleaning tools in the little plastic bag, the owner's pamphlet, original guarantee card, and it even includes the original "Permit to Purchase" approved by the Twnshp Sheriff and apparently required in the state of purchase at the time. Even the corners and edges of the box show no wear other than a little dimming from age. On the end of the box is stamped '22/32 KIT GUN, BLUE FINISH, MODEL 34, 2-INCH BARREL, ROUND BUTT', and on the other end of the box is the glued on label with the basics of the gun such as model #, inspector ID, bbl length, finish, and 1st 3 characters of the serial#.

Now y'all know I'm not a S&W 'real' fan and lean much more towards Colts, but this is just too good to pass up I'm thinking. What I'd like is for one, or some of you S&W gurus to give me an opinion on the value, and an educated response to the date of mfg with the serial# of M46xxx. The last 3 digits are very low numbered, and note it's only a 6 character number.

I know the only real way to judge a value is to see it, hold it, caress it, etc for yourself. But know that I am a pretty fair judge of what to look for and base the value of revolvers on, and this one is as good as any 'used' gun I've ever had in my hand. And to note it includes all the provenance is very unusual for a 46+ yr old gun that has been fired 6 times.

So, how 'bout it you S&W gurus. Let me hear you !!! And thanks !!! (y)(y)(y)
 
It is a true shame that Colt person should have to have a S&W in their inventory so I tell you what ...... :unsure: ... just for you I will take this nasty thing off your hands for $100.00 . Just because I don't want to see a Colt guy have to winch every time they pulled the S&W out into the open. ;) :LOL:

I don't know what a true value would be but it should be pretty high on the scale with everything you mentioned. Just buy it and don't look back.
 
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To javbike: no not bought it yet but planning to before dark today.

To papa: can't tell you how much I appreciate your 'heartfelt' offer to relieve the pain this will bring to an old Colt guy, but I think I'll survive.

To Anchorsaweigh: yeh I know it's better with pictures, but my computer skills leave much to be desired, especially with trying to add attachments/pictures. That's why I wrote the part about me being fairly knowledgable in describing it. And, I don't have it in my possession quite yet to get a picture.
 
I've just ran into what I think is a very good deal on an S&W .22/32 'Kit gun' ...... a mod 34-1 in an almost never fired condition. I know the pre '58 models are the better ones, and those even earlier are most prized. But I also know even the -1's are pretty sought after.

This particular one is pristine .... if I had to give it a rating it would have to be in the 95%-98% bracket. According to the story (I have no reason to doubt knowing the source) it had one cylinder full fired through it when it was first bought in early 1975, then put up for safe keeping and if needed. The bluing is perfect, there's no holster or other wear on the blue at all, even the varnish or whatever finish on the grips is not scarred or scratched.

It's still in the original box, with the original cleaning tools in the little plastic bag, the owner's pamphlet, original guarantee card, and it even includes the original "Permit to Purchase" approved by the Twnshp Sheriff and apparently required in the state of purchase at the time. Even the corners and edges of the box show no wear other than a little dimming from age. On the end of the box is stamped '22/32 KIT GUN, BLUE FINISH, MODEL 34, 2-INCH BARREL, ROUND BUTT', and on the other end of the box is the glued on label with the basics of the gun such as model #, inspector ID, bbl length, finish, and 1st 3 characters of the serial#.

Now y'all know I'm not a S&W 'real' fan and lean much more towards Colts, but this is just too good to pass up I'm thinking. What I'd like is for one, or some of you S&W gurus to give me an opinion on the value, and an educated response to the date of mfg with the serial# of M46xxx. The last 3 digits are very low numbered, and note it's only a 6 character number.

I know the only real way to judge a value is to see it, hold it, caress it, etc for yourself. But know that I am a pretty fair judge of what to look for and base the value of revolvers on, and this one is as good as any 'used' gun I've ever had in my hand. And to note it includes all the provenance is very unusual for a 46+ yr old gun that has been fired 6 times.

So, how 'bout it you S&W gurus. Let me hear you !!! And thanks !!! (y)(y)(y)

JJ, Usually, find 3 or more recent sales from online or other auctions as a guide. Even if older auctions, they can help determine value for seller and or buyer. Bottom line is what price makes both seller and buyer happy. Everything else is speculative on value. Good luck to you both.

P.S. Am sure there's a "Blue Book" somewhere on gun values? That may help?
 
Okay, lessee here.

MSRP on the closest thing currently in the S&W line is $820 for the M63. IF you could find one.

In some ways, the new 63 is a better gun. Stainless steel, 3" barrel, and 8 shots. But there are many who would just prefer the old-school, blue, 2" 6-shooter, and appreciate its '70s quality, which is probably better than today's. And no MIM parts. So there's that.

I haven't seen many old S&Ws above the basic, garden-variety 4" pencil-barrel M10s sell for much if any under five pigs lately. Someone looking for that particular gun in that good a condition would probably happily pay more than the new MSRP price for it.

IMHO, if you can get it for under five, it's a steal. Five to six, still a pretty good deal. Over six, how much do YOU want it?
 
LNIB/EIB Kit gun?

I’d likely be very interested at anything under $1k.

Seriously, these were gaining interest before The Insanity of 2020. Older S&W models were starting to get Colt interest.
"LNIB/EIB Kit gun?" That's what caught my attention when it came up. And I've seen 'ask' prices for around $1300 that were not nearly as nice as this one. Don't know how to look for "completed sales". This is a close friend private seller who has grown older and no longer is concerned about 'having it when needing it' which was his original thought for buying it way back in '75.

Also was hoping someone would have a handle on mfg date. Thanks to all for info up to now.
 
"LNIB/EIB Kit gun?" That's what caught my attention when it came up. And I've seen 'ask' prices for around $1300 that were not nearly as nice as this one. Don't know how to look for "completed sales". This is a close friend private seller who has grown older and no longer is concerned about 'having it when needing it' which was his original thought for buying it way back in '75.

Also was hoping someone would have a handle on mfg date. Thanks to all for info up to now.

JJ, just gotta ask right questions to go with right answers sometimes? :)

 
JJ, just gotta ask right questions to go with right answers sometimes? :)

Thanks BobM, I looked but could not find any 'J' frame serial# starting with "M46" so I'm still in the dark relative to 'born on date'. And I thought I had asked the right question in my original post when I wrote this: "What I'd like is for one, or some of you S&W gurus to give me an opinion on the value, and an "educated response to the date of mfg with the serial# of M46xxx." The last 3 digits are very low numbered, and note it's only a 6 character number.

Oh well, we live and learn ..... huh? (y)(y)(y);)
 
Thanks BobM, I looked but could not find any 'J' frame serial# starting with "M46" so I'm still in the dark relative to 'born on date'. And I thought I had asked the right question in my original post when I wrote this: "What I'd like is for one, or some of you S&W gurus to give me an opinion on the value, and an "educated response to the date of mfg with the serial# of M46xxx." The last 3 digits are very low numbered, and note it's only a 6 character number.

Oh well, we live and learn ..... huh? (y)(y)(y);)

Welcome JJ, M looks to be clarified a bit differently in this code data.
If remember right much S&W data was lost in a fire. Has been gleaned from here and there since.

Is more info listed here:

 
JJ, you may try here? Have never used the place or site and looks like there's a fee involved, but maybe an option?

 
OK, here's what I've come up with so far. The gun numbering system began using the -1 in '57. Then changed from the 'I' frame to the 'J' frame in '61. Deleted the screw in front of the trigger guard in '62, and all were 3 screws after that date.

So, it appears my gun was born on or after 1962, but before early 1975. It does in fact have the -1 marking in the model number, it is in fact a 'J' frame revolver, it has only the 3 side plate screws (one under the grip), and was purchased in early 1975. That means my gun (yes, it's my gun now, we sealed the deal a couple hours ago) was born somewhere between 1957 and 1975. That's about an 18 year span and I would like to narrow it down just a little closer if possible. But I'm done looking at numbers for tonight since I just want to sit here and caress it. It feels almost as good as my old, worn out, weather beaten, Colt Troopers.

Even though it is an S&W, it's a pretty little thing. I'm trying to decide if I want to take it with me to the range on Tuesday. Well, that's not entirely true....... I know danged well I 'want' to take it, just not sure I should. There's not even a roll mark on the cylinder which somewhat substantiates the story of one cylinder full was all that has ever been fired from it. What to do ...... what to do? Chances are I won't be able to stand it and will have to take it to the range to shoot.

I'm not ordinarily the kind of guy who has a bunch of safe queens ..... almost all my guns, both hand guns and long guns are regularly fired. I currently have a 1982 Colt Python and a 2000 Colt Python, neither of which have ever been fired and will likely be that way when they pass on to my 'yard' son. He nor I are into guns for the collector's value, so the fact they've not been fired is really immaterial to either of us. It's just that it's the way I came into possession of them and decided to keep them that way. Anytime I get the urge to shoot .357 magnums in a beautiful Colt revolver, I just drag out one of my Troopers (1 Mk III, and 1 Mk V, both with excellent trigger/action jobs) and shoot till I'm over it, or out of ammo, whichever comes first. ;) :D(y)(y)(y)

In the meantime, if any of you S&W gurus have anything to add relative to my newest acquisition, please jump in. I'm always up for new info on any of my firearms. Thanks y'all !!!
 
OK, here's what I've come up with so far. The gun numbering system began using the -1 in '57. Then changed from the 'I' frame to the 'J' frame in '61. Deleted the screw in front of the trigger guard in '62, and all were 3 screws after that date.

So, it appears my gun was born on or after 1962, but before early 1975. It does in fact have the -1 marking in the model number, it is in fact a 'J' frame revolver, it has only the 3 side plate screws (one under the grip), and was purchased in early 1975. That means my gun (yes, it's my gun now, we sealed the deal a couple hours ago) was born somewhere between 1957 and 1975. That's about an 18 year span and I would like to narrow it down just a little closer if possible. But I'm done looking at numbers for tonight since I just want to sit here and caress it. It feels almost as good as my old, worn out, weather beaten, Colt Troopers.

Even though it is an S&W, it's a pretty little thing. I'm trying to decide if I want to take it with me to the range on Tuesday. Well, that's not entirely true....... I know danged well I 'want' to take it, just not sure I should. There's not even a roll mark on the cylinder which somewhat substantiates the story of one cylinder full was all that has ever been fired from it. What to do ...... what to do? Chances are I won't be able to stand it and will have to take it to the range to shoot.

I'm not ordinarily the kind of guy who has a bunch of safe queens ..... almost all my guns, both hand guns and long guns are regularly fired. I currently have a 1982 Colt Python and a 2000 Colt Python, neither of which have ever been fired and will likely be that way when they pass on to my 'yard' son. He nor I are into guns for the collector's value, so the fact they've not been fired is really immaterial to either of us. It's just that it's the way I came into possession of them and decided to keep them that way. Anytime I get the urge to shoot .357 magnums in a beautiful Colt revolver, I just drag out one of my Troopers (1 Mk III, and 1 Mk V, both with excellent trigger/action jobs) and shoot till I'm over it, or out of ammo, whichever comes first. ;) :D(y)(y)(y)

In the meantime, if any of you S&W gurus have anything to add relative to my newest acquisition, please jump in. I'm always up for new info on any of my firearms. Thanks y'all !!!
All I can add is J-Frames are like Lays Potato Chips, you can't have just one.
 
Wasn't home yesterday to look up my Standard Catalog...let's get it narrowed down for you a bit, shall we?

The 34-1 was introduced in 1960; they began M-prefix S/N in 1969. M30001-M60000 were produced between 1971 and 1973, so...I'd say yours was made in early-mid 1972, give or take.

This was what you were looking for, no?

(And--anyone who wants to get into S&W collecting, or just wants some classic S&W's...The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson is worth the cost.)
 
Wasn't home yesterday to look up my Standard Catalog...let's get it narrowed down for you a bit, shall we?

The 34-1 was introduced in 1960; they began M-prefix S/N in 1969. M30001-M60000 were produced between 1971 and 1973, so...I'd say yours was made in early-mid 1972, give or take.

This was what you were looking for, no?

(And--anyone who wants to get into S&W collecting, or just wants some classic S&W's...The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson is worth the cost.)
Thanks Hans, exactly what I was looking for. It's my suggestion maybe the earlier of '72 since the serial# is on the smaller end of the number series you've shown. Well, I don't know .... but after re-thinking it maybe it's closer to the middle since the number is M46xxx. But that's probably as close as we'll get without writing to S&W. And again, thanks for the info.
 
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