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+P .45 Ammo

Long time LEO said:
So I saw somewhere (preemptive sorry) that +P ammo is not good to shoot in a smaller 1911. What’s the “problem.”
I have a new S/A Champion and I don’t want to ruin the barrel or damage it, but I tend to prefer 185 gr bullets at higher velocity. What say you Obi-wans???
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Many years ago I heard aluminum framed pistols could experience cracked frames if fired a lot with high pressure ammo. My guess it had something to with the type of aluminum alloy used. Was it cast or forged aluminum? Also if the pistol didn't have a fully ramped barrel it could cause cracked frames where the bullet struck the frame before entering the chamber. Todays alloys are much stronger. I had a S&W model 39 a million years ago. The frame never cracked but the aluminum feed portion of the frame would get beat up pretty bad. The aluminum was soft enough for me use sandpaper to smooth it out.
 
HansGruber said:
Which has absolutely nothing to do with recoil.

Stay on subject.
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Didn't say it was subject. Newton is partially correct as only a starting point or in general like Greenhill. His science isn't EXACT science, more like the glass is half full. Take it either way. His is a corrupt equation, but good for his time until more advance mathematics fill in his gaps. Do you reload? If not, then you don't hold water. If you do, then grab your favorite box of ammo, read the info, use reload data and the lightest or next to the lightest bullet, get a velocity that will produce the same muzzle energy and LEARN for yourself. In case you don't know the formula for answering muzzle energy, here it is. Velocity x Velocity x bullet weight / 450,500 = ? I've seen a variant of the 6 digit that could be 450,400? As long as you use the same constant (450,500 or 450,400) it'll be fine. Pistols don't show/feel a big difference between muzzle energy changes as rifles do. If you use a faster powder (i.e., faster burn rated) that can produce same ME it will also produce less recoil due to less gas volume and/or muzzle pressure where recoil is generated from the releasing of pressure.
 
I carry Hornady Critical Duty 220 gr +P in my full sized .45 Sig based upon FBI test results. I like that flexlock bullet and It does a better job at barrier penetration. But I shoot very little of it. I shoot up what I am carrying once a year and replace it with new. Hornady only recommends it for full size handguns, but they recommend standard velocity Critical Defense for short barreled handguns.
 
Bassbob said:
Can you cite a single example of this ever happening ? Other than the one or two cases involving LEO ( which as far as I know none of those involved ammo type)

The idea that using SD ammo could land you in hot water in a justified shooting is something that was dreamed up by marketing executives at concealed carry insurance companies.
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Let us not forget that if you had also made a trigger adjustment plus the hot load that's a throw away the key situation ;)
 
TEXASforLIFE said:
Didn't say it was subject. Newton is partially correct as only a starting point or in general like Greenhill. His science isn't EXACT science, more like the glass is half full. Take it either way. His is a corrupt equation, but good for his time until more advance mathematics fill in his gaps. Do you reload? If not, then you don't hold water. If you do, then grab your favorite box of ammo, read the info, use reload data and the lightest or next to the lightest bullet, get a velocity that will produce the same muzzle energy and LEARN for yourself. In case you don't know the formula for answering muzzle energy, here it is. Velocity x Velocity x bullet weight / 450,500 = ? I've seen a variant of the 6 digit that could be 450,400? As long as you use the same constant (450,500 or 450,400) it'll be fine. Pistols don't show/feel a big difference between muzzle energy changes as rifles do. If you use a faster powder (i.e., faster burn rated) that can produce same ME it will also produce less recoil due to less gas volume and/or muzzle pressure where recoil is generated from the releasing of pressure.
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Sigh.

In your absence, I forgot about your inabiiity to admit you are wrong, and just start posting dense screeds of unrelated bovine excrement to cover for it.

Thanks for the reminder.
 
Pitdogg2 said:
The federal literature said hi-shok 2. It was a continuation of the original Hi-Shok HP round with a bonded lead core to the jacket.
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I guess they liked the acronym of HST better than HS2? I've never bought any HST's, so no knowledge about that ammo.
 
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