Talyn
SAINT
Small rimfire revolvers are good for practice, and field use as a pest-popper or plinker.
Pint-Sized 22s: What Good are They?
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HansGruber
Ronin
Eh.
I’ve yet to meet anyone willing to take a 40gr Interceptor to prove their theory that .22LR is an ineffective as a self-defense cartridge…
I’ve yet to meet anyone willing to take a 40gr Interceptor to prove their theory that .22LR is an ineffective as a self-defense cartridge…
HansGruber
Ronin
43C (.22LR) L; 351C (.22WMR) R.
Excellent carry companions.
HansGruber
Ronin
WW2 vintage Walther PPK .22
Snake45
Professional
I'll see your .22 PPK and raise you a .22 PP, both posed on an appropriate page of Chic Gaylord's 1960 classic Handgunner's Guide.
Recusant
Hellcat
I've read that many of the war time .22 cal PPs and PPKs were issued to concentation camp personel.
HansGruber
Ronin
HansGruber
Ronin
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Any WW2 German weapon could have been used for atrocities against the Jews since they rounded them up from cities by the Army and Police.
Which means, one could not have any German war guns.
Not trying to be mean, just a fact.
Dont let it get to you .
Recusant
Hellcat
Hopefully then it's a commerical issue. Is it proofed? As an example, below is a SS contract PP that was issued about 1940 because it has a crown N proof. Notice it has the serial number on both the frame and the slide. Walter didn't start doing this until approximately #220 XXX P. on production guns Mine is #145 XXX P which being marked in both places before it became a standard practice indicates it was made specifically for the SS and RSHA.. Unfortantly it didn't come with a serial numbered mag.
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HansGruber
Ronin
Thanks, but…
Sure, any weapon COULD have been used…but when the type was mainly issued to SS/Concentration camp personnel, the odds go up exponentially.
Sigh. I’m gonna do a lot more research.
My problem is…do I want to deal with a raging scumbag that would WANT something like this, for what it is.
HansGruber
Ronin
Recusant
Hellcat
While some of the .22 PP's are rumored to be assigned to the SS, Walther (PP/PPK) pistols in caliber .22 LR had more of a reputation of being used as target pistols for people who wanted to qualifying for a firearms permit. I went over to the Jan Still Luger forum and found this thread from a number of years back that for the most part questions whether any .22 PP/PPKs were ever even issued to the SS. Didn't mean to get you upset.
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Snake45
Professional
You could always see about donating it to the Holocaust Museum.
Snake45
Professional
Hans,
My .22 PPK is also of WWII vintage, which I know because of the serial number, the ONLY marking on either the frame or slide. It came with the early-type slide, same as yours. It had been crudely refinished by someone somewhere along the line, and the grips were a decent set of homemade wraparound 1-piece design. All this is why I got it so cheap--$125, which was even cheap by 1976 standards (when I got it). It had no collector value, and was only good as a "shooter," which is what I wanted it for. (At the same time I bought, from the same guy, a VERY nice Beretta 948--basically, a .22LR M1934--in its original box for the same $125 price.)
It never shot to point of aim, and as you know, there's no way to adjust the tiny integral sights (they're part of the slide). About 20 years ago I was fooling with it and dropped the hammer using the safety lever, the way you're supposed to, and the hammer broke the safety clean in two, the left side falling right out. I tried to find a replacement part but as you can imagine, safeties for a .22 PP/PPK are incredibly rare and the only one I found was $150 dollars--that's 2002 dollars--more than I'd paid for the whole gun!
Around 2004 or 2005, I was at a local gun show where one vendor routinely sold parts and parts sets--many of these "parts sets" were essentially complete guns missing only the frame. (Always wondered about his source for these.) Anyway, he was offering a complete Interarms PPK/S slide for $165. I almost sprained my wrist grabbing for my wallet. Now not only was my PPK fixed, I had the modern, more stylish slide with semi-decent sights to boot! I still have the original slide, but the new one has lived on it ever since.
I never cared for the crude original grips, and always wanted the brown plastic "tortoise shell" ones. These proved amazingly elusive to find. I first found a set of white plastics, and then a set of black plastics, and FINALLY the brown plastic ones I wanted. So it took me about 30 years and about $300 total to get the .22 PPK I always wanted.
Told you all that to tell you this: Almost immediately I'd started wondering why Walther was making .22 PPKs at the height of WWII. Somewhere in my research, I ran across a line something like this: "Almost incredibly, Walther continued to make .22LR PPs and PPKs throughout the war, apparently for high-ranking officers, party officials, and other VIPs." Can't remember where I read it, though.
Hope all this is of interest to you.
My .22 PPK is also of WWII vintage, which I know because of the serial number, the ONLY marking on either the frame or slide. It came with the early-type slide, same as yours. It had been crudely refinished by someone somewhere along the line, and the grips were a decent set of homemade wraparound 1-piece design. All this is why I got it so cheap--$125, which was even cheap by 1976 standards (when I got it). It had no collector value, and was only good as a "shooter," which is what I wanted it for. (At the same time I bought, from the same guy, a VERY nice Beretta 948--basically, a .22LR M1934--in its original box for the same $125 price.)
It never shot to point of aim, and as you know, there's no way to adjust the tiny integral sights (they're part of the slide). About 20 years ago I was fooling with it and dropped the hammer using the safety lever, the way you're supposed to, and the hammer broke the safety clean in two, the left side falling right out. I tried to find a replacement part but as you can imagine, safeties for a .22 PP/PPK are incredibly rare and the only one I found was $150 dollars--that's 2002 dollars--more than I'd paid for the whole gun!
Around 2004 or 2005, I was at a local gun show where one vendor routinely sold parts and parts sets--many of these "parts sets" were essentially complete guns missing only the frame. (Always wondered about his source for these.) Anyway, he was offering a complete Interarms PPK/S slide for $165. I almost sprained my wrist grabbing for my wallet. Now not only was my PPK fixed, I had the modern, more stylish slide with semi-decent sights to boot! I still have the original slide, but the new one has lived on it ever since.
I never cared for the crude original grips, and always wanted the brown plastic "tortoise shell" ones. These proved amazingly elusive to find. I first found a set of white plastics, and then a set of black plastics, and FINALLY the brown plastic ones I wanted. So it took me about 30 years and about $300 total to get the .22 PPK I always wanted.
Told you all that to tell you this: Almost immediately I'd started wondering why Walther was making .22 PPKs at the height of WWII. Somewhere in my research, I ran across a line something like this: "Almost incredibly, Walther continued to make .22LR PPs and PPKs throughout the war, apparently for high-ranking officers, party officials, and other VIPs." Can't remember where I read it, though.
Hope all this is of interest to you.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
There is an Army museum in Abilene, Texas to commemorate the Division that was based and trained in Abilene during WW2.
The unit liberated a few concentration camps and has some stuff from that campaign among all the other campaigns they fought in during the war.
3 floors worth to be exact. Excellent museum.
They have firearms from both Germany and USA displayed.
Could be another possible donation. If you truly find you want to shed it ?
12th Armored Division Memorial Museum
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bc22wm
Custom
Don't let it put a zap on your brain. It is an inanimate object. It is not responsible for who used it or how it was used, even if you could prove yours was carried by a concentration camp guard. Thats like blaming ARs for school shootings or not having a SKS because the Viet Cong used them. Where does it stop. Can't use a Trapdoor Springfield because it might have been used in the Indian wars? Enjoy what you have and lighten up on yourself.