Polymer80 a victim of tyranny.
- Thread starter Onewolf426
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Just the messenger and by no way am saying the NFA and 1968 GCA is good however when the company sends everything in the same box to make a gun anywhere especially to places like NYC, LA etc nothing good is gonna come from it.
And despite some claims otherwise they are pulling enough of these homemade firearms off criminals and from homicide scenes in big cities so that didn’t help the cause to keep them off the radar. And you’d be surprised how good records are on who sends and receives mail the last 25-30 years. Records are everywhere!
But people wanna still act shocked!
And despite some claims otherwise they are pulling enough of these homemade firearms off criminals and from homicide scenes in big cities so that didn’t help the cause to keep them off the radar. And you’d be surprised how good records are on who sends and receives mail the last 25-30 years. Records are everywhere!
But people wanna still act shocked!
Blackmesa96
Master Class
ECS686 you are correct in your assessment of what could be argued to be irresponsible behavior on their part. I would have thought they would take care to avoid shipping to "forbidden zones".
The overarching concern for some of us is that the Fascist element of the current regime are willing to use the courts as a weapon. We have witnessed their continuing assault on Trump as an example of their strategy. It's no surprise that they would be willing to try to litigate a company out of business as well.
The sickening part of this whole thing is that people seem to be OK with government abuse as long as it doesn't directly affect them. Some even embrace it should the target be someone or something they disapprove of. Naturally, they would have a much different opinion should they find themselves the target of government sanctioned lawfare.
This type of governmental behavior enforces the argument that this election will be the most important one in the history of our Republic to this date. Everyone needs to get out and vote. No excuses.
The overarching concern for some of us is that the Fascist element of the current regime are willing to use the courts as a weapon. We have witnessed their continuing assault on Trump as an example of their strategy. It's no surprise that they would be willing to try to litigate a company out of business as well.
The sickening part of this whole thing is that people seem to be OK with government abuse as long as it doesn't directly affect them. Some even embrace it should the target be someone or something they disapprove of. Naturally, they would have a much different opinion should they find themselves the target of government sanctioned lawfare.
This type of governmental behavior enforces the argument that this election will be the most important one in the history of our Republic to this date. Everyone needs to get out and vote. No excuses.
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Part of the issue is any story reporting is biased towards the side the outlet is on. And unfortunately most media is left and paint a picture that people already against firearms or even say o. The fence but are not educated get incorrect or often iutright lies in firearms (internet sales are a prime example while is her know a dealer and 4473 is involved they are relayed a story anyone can order a gun from bobs guns and have it delivered)
The GunTubes are sort of the same at getting the gun guys worked up when they push their exaggerations they get likes and clicks as well
So if a up the middle facts only and EXPLAIN how it really is (think Paul Harvey rest of the story) network would be formed that would help in educating everyone.
Onewolf426
Professional
You miss the point of this whole thing. They have convinced the sheep that "ghost guns" are bad, and the "ghost guns" are the cause of all this violence. Oh, and selling and shipping to "forbidden" zones? Really? Perhaps you have not heard about Chicago given the blessing by this adminsitration to go after Glock for their guns being so easily converted with "trigger switches". You know, go after Glock to change their design that has worked for how many decades now? Merely an excuse to drag them into court to the tune of millions or billions of dollars so they either go bankrupt and close their doors, or they stop selling in the United States. Why not? It worked on Polymer 80. Oh, and they are giving Mexico their blessing to go after Smith and Wesson. So, you all think S&W and Glock are to blame for whatever the flavor of the month is? Polymer 80 is the first domino, and it fell. And they had the blessing of every single individual who blamed Polymer80 for their own demise. This is how they get our guns. With the blessing of the sheep.
While the Glock lawsuit while ignoring their own cause of their own problems is accurate Polymer 80 was a small min ow compared to S&W and Glock.
Glock and S&W has been there before with lawsuits nothing really new and I suspect it will eventually get thrown out.
The problem with the P80 stuff is they shipped everything to make a completed firearm. And often to those jurisdictions which it was illegal and there was no state preemption clause so that alone doesn’t matter we don’t agree with why they did it the Antis are not dumb and they are finding tow hooks to make a change here or there.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
With all due respect, we do realize that "unserialized" factory guns were legal up until the GCA 1968 don't we, and still home built guns were/are even after that? And ... that in fact "Ghost guns" (nothing more than 'unserialized', home built firearms that have been given a scary name) have been legal ever since the founding of the country. And in all those years there was no outcry about those 'bad ol' unserialized guns. Hummmn, must have been something else. And I'd say 3D printing had little to nothing to do with it except for the ease by which 'unserialized' firearms could be built and not the fact they could be built at all.
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Old_Me
SAINT
yeah but the thing is, the thugs are getting the guns, and even with Polymer 80 closing up, the thugs will continue to get guns, all the while, we honest, law abiding LEGAL gun owners will suffer the overall consequences.
it is so easy to go after a smaller number of people (LEGAL owners) and restrict their rights, take away what they own, and deny anymore freedoms, than to actually go after the criminals and lock them up for a long time, rather than, "no cash bail", or "misdemeanor charges", or "reduced charges"....
until the laws of this nation are fully enforced against crime, all innocent people will be at risk for loss of liberty.
Bassbob
Emissary
Yeah, but is anyone here stupid enough to think that the thugs that are doing most of the killing actually gain some sort of advantage by the gun they use not having a serial number ? It doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The serialized gun they used instead of the "Ghost gun" was stolen anyway. Hell, even when they get caught red handed half the time they're kicked loose anyway. 
Old_Me
SAINT
of course not.....but those politicians (creating Bills) would like for everyone to think so.Yeah, but is anyone here stupid enough to think that the thugs that are doing most of the killing actually gain some sort of advantage by the gun they use not having a serial number ? It doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The serialized gun they used instead of the "Ghost gun" was stolen anyway. Hell, even when they get caught red handed half the time they're kicked loose anyway.
The specific issue with Poly 80 was not only did they violate laws they REFUSED to stop and break up their shipments
They were given several opportunities over a couple years to change course and did not. They thought they were immune from repercussions.
Not quite victims to me. Some folks personally think fees for folks to have a handgun permit are wrong yet they know the repercussions if they don’t have one in a state that requires so they play the game
Those that don’t shouldn’t act surprised when their pre pee gets smacked!
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
I don't disagree with this!!!
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
This is pretty much what I was saying above!!! "It doesn't make a damn bit of difference"!Yeah, but is anyone here stupid enough to think that the thugs that are doing most of the killing actually gain some sort of advantage by the gun they use not having a serial number ? It doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The serialized gun they used instead of the "Ghost gun" was stolen anyway. Hell, even when they get caught red handed half the time they're kicked loose anyway.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
I'm a little confused ... just exactly what laws did they break?
I'm not getting what that has to do with why P80 tanked. Can you connect it to the topic?
Bassbob
Emissary
Connected:
"AFA Polimer 80, they lost a reason for their longtime core business (unserialized guns) when 3D printing became affordable. I wonder if that is why?"
Still not seeing any connection.