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Question on California Compliant Saint Muzzle Brake

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Hello all. I am relatively new to shooting here in California. Been a member at my local range for a couple years now and go pretty regularly. I am getting tired of people complaining about my Saint being too loud. I had a guy going on and on about it yesterday. I'm a member at Even's gun world, which has two ranges, one for riffles and one for handguns. Both ranges were completely empty and this guy brings his girl into the riffle (tactical they call it) side to shoot a .22 and sets up up shop in the lane right next to me. They're wearing orange foam plugs and he just sat there and bitched the whole time about the riffle, well in between his stories about his time as an Olympic shooter. Sorry. My rant is over.

I am curious if the muzzle brake on the California compliant saint is removable. It looks removable to me. I ask because I read in the past they used to have to be welded on to be compliant. Also, is it legal to remove it? I can't imagine it's not, but the water is so muddy over here in California it is hard to tell what I am allowed to do. I think the reason the gun is so loud is the muzzle brake so I want to shoot it without it and see what it feels/sounds like.
 
Sending out a signal for xdman! I'm sure he'll have an answer and the solution.
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The best way to be a good neighbor is to get a silencer. Oh wait, silencers are illegal in the state. In fact, according to Penal Code 33410 PC, not only is it illegal to use a silencer on a gun—it's a felony crime even to possess a silencer.

So next time that guy complains, tell him it is his fault for allowing that law to pass.

Your best bet is to move to Texas like I did. You will save enough in taxes and living expenses to buy a full drawer of silencers.
 
calsaint said:
Hello all. I am relatively new to shooting here in California. Been a member at my local range for a couple years now and go pretty regularly. I am getting tired of people complaining about my Saint being too loud. I had a guy going on and on about it yesterday. I'm a member at Even's gun world, which has two ranges, one for riffles and one for handguns. Both ranges were completely empty and this guy brings his girl into the riffle (tactical they call it) side to shoot a .22 and sets up up shop in the lane right next to me. They're wearing orange foam plugs and he just sat there and bitched the whole time about the riffle, well in between his stories about his time as an Olympic shooter. Sorry. My rant is over.

I am curious if the muzzle brake on the California compliant saint is removable. It looks removable to me. I ask because I read in the past they used to have to be welded on to be compliant. Also, is it legal to remove it? I can't imagine it's not, but the water is so muddy over here in California it is hard to tell what I am allowed to do. I think the reason the gun is so loud is the muzzle brake so I want to shoot it without it and see what it feels/sounds like.
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I'd post your question on the Calguns.net forum since the sources there are much more familiar with California regulations vs. an out-of-state source that isn't.

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Any responses from the Calgun site may be able to refer you to a reputable & skilled gunsmith in your area/state to make any modifications that are legal there.
 
I can’t tell any difference in loud between SA Forward Diverter and a conventional brake. Much depends on where and what the noise is bouncing off too. A range decides what’s too loud, obviously sensitive ears or lack of proper equipment isn’t a requirement. Nice of you to consider someone’s comfort, but they should know better - first come first served and all rifles permitted are the ranges prerogative to determine. Noise bugs me too, so I refrain from indoor rifle practice.

Not sure about the configuration CA Rule. It should be spelled out in the State code and easy enough to access, so don’t rely on a nonresidents opinion.

But if you defeat a CA compliant firearm by adding/removing components it becomes illegal. Same applies elsewhere that has these home#rule restrictions.
I don’t know for sure, but any range that allows unlawful firearms to be in used might find themselves in the ATF hot seat too.

Get that issue clarified and confirmed before altering and showing up.

Reference earlier post: https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/gun-shop-seizes-customers-polymer-80.16148/unread
 
Ok so I will have to admit that I have never even held one of the Ca compliant Saints before. I do know that there was a discussion just a couple weeks ago about the OP Live episode and Fullerton PD saying a threaded barrel made the weapon an assault weapon. I know in the old federal version, to get around that they would weld it in place meaning it was one less point towards an AW. If it is removable it should be no problem to replace, if welded it can be replaced for a cost.

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I found out from from Springfield that the CA complaint SAINTS are not welded from the factory and will be removable like any other muzzle device.

If you look local and the smiths there are too expensive let me know potentially you can ship the upper to me and I can get you squared away and switched. Just depends how much the locals charge, if you are not a DIY person. I know for a simple sight install the bastards want 65.00 plus the cost of the sights.
 
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I don’t know about the Springfield one, but there is a massive difference between a forward diverter and a brake. I found this out first hand on the range 2 Friday’s ago.
 
Thank you all for your responses and knowing the brake is not welded is a huge piece of information. I do know a good armorer as I had a guy Cajonize my CZ during the pandemic when Cajon gun works was so backed up they weren't even entertaining service orders. He did a spot on job but the turn around was still like 4 months. Well worth the wait though. I am feeling confident that I can legally change it after digging in a little more and will likely just spend the money on the tools to do it myself as opposed to pay someone else to do it. Although I hear it is a PITA to get that sucker off there.

Believe me when I say that if my senior parents were not still here in California I would be outa here. I was up in Alaska for a couple years but came back to California to be closer to them. Alaska was great as there were pretty much no regulations and frankly there were a lot less gun problems there than here in California. Guns never really seemed to be an issue up there.
 
Bassbob said:
I don’t know about the Springfield one, but there is a massive difference between a forward diverter and a brake. I found this out first hand on the range 2 Friday’s ago.
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Should be the same across the brands I would think.

Perhaps just in the small indoor range that beside the ear drums even my earmuffs rattle enough to not notice or pay close attention.
Guess my ears are too sensitive to any and all boom-boom since M-80‘s were once lobbed randomly near me in my youth on two occasions by careless revelers.
Outdoors I can get by rather well. 😵‍💫!
 
calsaint said:
Thank you all for your responses and knowing the brake is not welded is a huge piece of information. I do know a good armorer as I had a guy Cajonize my CZ during the pandemic when Cajon gun works was so backed up they weren't even entertaining service orders. He did a spot on job but the turn around was still like 4 months. Well worth the wait though. I am feeling confident that I can legally change it after digging in a little more and will likely just spend the money on the tools to do it myself as opposed to pay someone else to do it. Although I hear it is a PITA to get that sucker off there.

Believe me when I say that if my senior parents were not still here in California I would be outa here. I was up in Alaska for a couple years but came back to California to be closer to them. Alaska was great as there were pretty much no regulations and frankly there were a lot less gun problems there than here in California. Guns never really seemed to be an issue up there.
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Reaction rod, 3 guys, 1 Armorers wrench and 2 adjustable wrenches. Piece of cake. Unless there's rocksett on it. Or instead of 3 guys you can use a heavy vice and 1 guy with an armorers wrench.
 
calsaint said:
Hello all. I am relatively new to shooting here in California. Been a member at my local range for a couple years now and go pretty regularly. I am getting tired of people complaining about my Saint being too loud. I had a guy going on and on about it yesterday. I'm a member at Even's gun world, which has two ranges, one for riffles and one for handguns. Both ranges were completely empty and this guy brings his girl into the riffle (tactical they call it) side to shoot a .22 and sets up up shop in the lane right next to me. They're wearing orange foam plugs and he just sat there and bitched the whole time about the riffle, well in between his stories about his time as an Olympic shooter. Sorry. My rant is over.

I am curious if the muzzle brake on the California compliant saint is removable. It looks removable to me. I ask because I read in the past they used to have to be welded on to be compliant. Also, is it legal to remove it? I can't imagine it's not, but the water is so muddy over here in California it is hard to tell what I am allowed to do. I think the reason the gun is so loud is the muzzle brake so I want to shoot it without it and see what it feels/sounds like.
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Personally, I wouldn’t worry about it, you were there shooting first and they came next to you, if he didn’t like it well crap happens, why should you spend money on something that you didn’t do wrong…..just my opinion.
 
Agreed. It's happened a couple times now. I think people are just a little sensitive at the range by my house. I am likely just going to go to another range. There is one about 10 minutes further down the road where I know nobody would complain but it gets really crowded. Unfortunately there is no outdoor ranges anywhere by me. Maybe I should take the M1 garand there and see what people think about that.
 
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