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ex13F

ex13F

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I know there are several fellow veterans on this forum so I thought I would share this article. I am 80% service connected and would do it again without reservation but for that time period not now sad to say. As much as I have pride in my country and my service it was a different country then than now. If a young person would ask my advice (like any youngster talks to grayhaired old soldiers anymore) on joining any branch of the military I'm afraid it would be no, not right now. My personal opinion that's all.

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The U.S. Military and Its Future: Size the Force to Match the Nation’s Willingness to Provide Servicemen | Defense.info

Next year, the U.S. military will spend an unprecedented $900 billion dollars of the taxpayers’ money but it continues to fail to interest young Americans in military service. “Gen Z is unpatriotic!” and won’t join the military we’re told, but are they really? If so, why? It’s partly poor health...
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ex13F said:
I know there are several fellow veterans on this forum so I thought I would share this article. I am 80% service connected and would do it again without reservation but for that time period not now sad to say. As much as I have pride in my country and my service it was a different country then than now. If a young person would ask my advice (like any youngster talks to grayhaired old soldiers anymore) on joining any branch of the military I'm afraid it would be no, not right now. My personal opinion that's all.

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The U.S. Military and Its Future: Size the Force to Match the Nation’s Willingness to Provide Servicemen | Defense.info

Next year, the U.S. military will spend an unprecedented $900 billion dollars of the taxpayers’ money but it continues to fail to interest young Americans in military service. “Gen Z is unpatriotic!” and won’t join the military we’re told, but are they really? If so, why? It’s partly poor health...
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The kid on my truck with me every day ( he is 28 and an ex combat vet- Afghanistan) talks incessantly. About everything. The kid never shuts up frankly. He is not shy to talk about his time in the army either. And based on what he says about how things were from 2015-2019 there is no way in hell I would ever recommend anyone enlist. I'm not just talking about the ridiculous ROE soldiers are under when deployed in combat zones either. It sounds to me the US military is being commanded by someone who regularly hangs out with Gavin Newsome or the president of GLAAD.
 
with the advent of "star wars", AI, and other robotic means, we may be able to handle any attacks, but that is wishful thinking.

now, i never got drafted, but i did sign up for the draft. it was "the law of the land" for young American boys to do....and many did....thank god they did

it bothers me when the young guys cry about having to sign up, even though there is no declared war right now, it's just to have a "pool" of able bodied MEN go to fight.

it bothers me too, that generations ago, the boot camp DI's used to yell, scream. slap a recruit......but that was abolished, cuz "it hurt thier feelings"......or something like that..

so....i suppose the enemy gives 3 square meals a day, a water bed, cable tv, air conditioning, and talks like thier grandmothers, when they are captured..??

really.,...?? they do...??

seems i recall the reasoning for the harsh treatment in boot camp was to "toughen up" the boys and make them into MEN, and not run like cowards (ah...that recent punk that went to N.Korea comes to mind?????)

i am old, broken down, have health issues, but i'll put up a fight with what weapons i have here, if our soil gets invaded.

one thing i learnt, as an instructor at the trucking school, and that was, if a young man, or any many under whatever age for the draft, NEVER signed up like they are supposed to.....and apply for a government student loan..??

they will be DENIED that loan, until the "bank" gets that application, with PROOF of signing up.......

"don't ask, don't tell".......well, frankly, i don't want some "tranny" or other form of unidentified living object in a fox hole, or tank, or submarine with me either......

now as for a paratrooper..??

if "its" chute doesn't open...??


ooops..........better luck next time....????
 
I had total faith and confidence in My Army (1982-2005), but I cannot speak for today's Army. One thing is certain though, you cannot change culture (inside or outside the military) from the White House. Cultural change must be done from the inside and it takes strong leaders that are not afraid of making tough decisions. In addition, politics has no place in Our military.

Do not get me started on fighting America's wars from the White House.
 
David N. said:
I had total faith and confidence in My Army (1982-2005), but I cannot speak for today's Army. One thing is certain though, you cannot change culture (inside or outside the military) from the White House. Cultural change must be done from the inside and it takes strong leaders that are not afraid of making tough decisions. In addition, politics has no place in Our military.

Do not get me started on fighting America's wars from the White House.
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we did have some great military leaders, didn't we..??

the "commander in chief", should be in name only.

sorta like the King, and Royal family in England..they are cerimonial only.......they cannot rule.
 
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Heck, with the new "standards", even 30 years later I'd wager many of us would ace the APFT, without training :D
And, looks like they're going to defund the Special Operations Forces, wouldn't want to make the useless recruits look even more useless than they are by having high standards to compare to! Better lower the bar and spew marketing than being proficient I guess... A friggin' shame!
 
Pro Digy II said:
Heck, with the new "standards", even 30 years later I'd wager many of us would ace the APFT, without training :D
And, looks like they're going to defund the Special Operations Forces, wouldn't want to make the useless recruits even more useless than they are! A friggin' shame!
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well...YOU would ace a fitness test.......

me...??

i'll let you know..........

after my several naps today, tomorrow, the next day...........the next..............the next.............
 
David N. said:
I had total faith and confidence in My Army (1982-2005), but I cannot speak for today's Army. One thing is certain though, you cannot change culture (inside or outside the military) from the White House. Cultural change must be done from the inside and it takes strong leaders that are not afraid of making tough decisions. In addition, politics has no place in Our military.

Do not get me started on fighting America's wars from the White House.
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100% with you @David N. Maybe it's just me but I prefer my generals to come from West Point than from some Ivy League California Private Woke Factory studying "white rage" (whatever TF that is). And the MF ditched right before the Israel attacks. But hey, according to the defense think tank lobbyists I know, he's "highly educated and highly decorated" 🤡🤡🤡🤡

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It's not about sizing or funding or other issues. It's about winning and losing. Since 9-11 we've gone hither and yon and ended up with at best a stalemate (Iraq) and a defeat (Afghanistan) and Lord only knows what other ball ups we never hear about. There are no more strategists in DC, only project managers. The National Command Authority used to be the President, the SecDef, and the Chairman of the JCS. In about 2002, the CJCS was removed from the NCA, so military representation was given to the several combatant commanders who naturally compete for limited resources. I.e., no one and everyone runs the show. No one wants to join or encourage others to join this mess.
 
Cedric said:
It's not about sizing or funding or other issues. It's about winning and losing. Since 9-11 we've gone hither and yon and ended up with at best a stalemate (Iraq) and a defeat (Afghanistan) and Lord only knows what other ball ups we never hear about. There are no more strategists in DC, only project managers. The National Command Authority used to be the President, the SecDef, and the Chairman of the JCS. In about 2002, the CJCS was removed from the NCA, so military representation was given to the several combatant commanders who naturally compete for limited resources. I.e., no one and everyone runs the show. No one wants to join or encourage others to join this mess.
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Don't forget Vietnam.
Problem with presidents past, they want the U.S. to be the policemen of the world, even though some countries have never been a democracy and no matter how much money or threats with a line in the sand it will never happen.
Bring all of our troops home and protect our borders first.
 
Wirenut said:
Don't forget Vietnam.
Problem with presidents past, they want the U.S. to be the policemen of the world, even though some countries have never been a democracy and no matter how much money or threats with a line in the sand it will never happen.
Bring all of our troops home and protect our borders first.
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Yeah VN. A perfect example of what I talked about. Let's see: A four-star at Pacific Command and a four-star in VN (Westmoreland and then Abrams) and a four-star CJCS. The old military adage about the commander walking up to a cluster asking "who's in charge?" and everyone looks at the other guy.
 
I would have answered, you stupid! Problem with today's military anything goes and behavior that is subversive is allowed with no consequences. We were good soldiers, we had terrible spineless leaders!
 
ex13F said:
I know there are several fellow veterans on this forum so I thought I would share this article. I am 80% service connected and would do it again without reservation but for that time period not now sad to say. As much as I have pride in my country and my service it was a different country then than now. If a young person would ask my advice (like any youngster talks to grayhaired old soldiers anymore) on joining any branch of the military I'm afraid it would be no, not right now. My personal opinion that's all.

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The U.S. Military and Its Future: Size the Force to Match the Nation’s Willingness to Provide Servicemen | Defense.info

Next year, the U.S. military will spend an unprecedented $900 billion dollars of the taxpayers’ money but it continues to fail to interest young Americans in military service. “Gen Z is unpatriotic!” and won’t join the military we’re told, but are they really? If so, why? It’s partly poor health...
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I joined the Army in 1964. Was stationed in a few state side bases before going to Germany. Really enjoyed Germany, re-enlisted to stay there. Six months later Uncle Sugar sent me to Vietnam. Served as a door gunner & tank commander. Saw a lot of bad situations. At the time I thought our country was doing the right thing trying to stop communism from spreading. Coming home was a real shock. Landed in Seattle, Wa., anti war activists were throwing eggs, rocks at us calling us all kinds of names. While in country I knew a lot folks back home were against our involvement in Vietnam. Although I love my country I really have doubts about the direction we're headed. I like to think our military is well prepared to fight any future wars, but I really worry they might not be.
 
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