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Red dot pistol optics MOA size

Warrior9(Ret)

Warrior9(Ret)

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Hey y’all,
Now that I have an Echelon 4.5F on the way I’ve been thinking about adding a Red Dot to it.
I’ve never used one for a pistol but I’ve use Reflex sights on a M4 ( ACOG and M68 ).
I’m much older now and I have had multiple surgeries on both eyes (cataracts and detached retinas).
My vision is almost 20/20. I do wear prescription Bi-focals.
Which size MOA should I get? 3 or 6?
Thanks for the suggestions
 
I like a 3.5

I have been told by relevant Red Dot guys that teach nationally at classes I have hosted that folks with certain eye issues like a 6.

All that said if I get into it more I will probably look at the circl with a dot like the EO Techs had on my agency MO5 I liked that.

There is no one size fits all just try a few and see which works best for YOU!

Good luck
 
ECS686 said:
I like a 3.5

I have been told by relevant Red Dot guys that teach nationally at classes I have hosted that folks with certain eye issues like a 6.

All that said if I get into it more I will probably look at the circl with a dot like the EO Techs had on my agency MO5 I liked that.

There is no one size fits all just try a few and see which works best for YOU!

Good luck
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Thanks
 
Hi,

My first optic is a 2 MOA green dot in a 32 MOA circle. This mode works for me.

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I wear bifocals too but don't need any corrective lenses to see this optic, Holosun HE507C-GR X2.

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Sure, it might not be the best dot, but for my first foray into optics pistols (XD9 Mod.3) it's getting the job done for now. It's easy to see and easy to pick up from the draw. I've had cataract surgery on my right eye, and I'm right eye dominant.

I have a Hex Wasp micro red dot (3.5 MOA), free from the "gear-up" promotion, ready to install on my Echelon 4.5F Comp but I haven't taken the time yet. I want to "shoot the new" off of it first, before I start tinkering with it. :LOL: Besides, I agree with all these learned fellows when they say green is easier to see. I'm looking forward to your adventure.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Warrior9(Ret) said:
Hey y’all,
Now that I have an Echelon 4.5F on the way I’ve been thinking about adding a Red Dot to it.
I’ve never used one for a pistol but I’ve use Reflex sights on a M4 ( ACOG and M68 ).
I’m much older now and I have had multiple surgeries on both eyes (cataracts and detached retinas).
My vision is almost 20/20. I do wear prescription Bi-focals.
Which size MOA should I get? 3 or 6?
Thanks for the suggestions
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My old eyes like 5-6 MOA. Shooting small groups is nice but I prefer combat accuracy from 7 to 15 yards, center mass and head shots.
 
BassCliff said:
Hi,

My first optic is a 2 MOA green dot in a 32 MOA circle. This mode works for me.

View attachment 78115

I wear bifocals too but don't need any corrective lenses to see this optic, Holosun HE507C-GR X2.

View attachment 78116

Sure, it might not be the best dot, but for my first foray into optics pistols (XD9 Mod.3) it's getting the job done for now. It's easy to see and easy to pick up from the draw. I've had cataract surgery on my right eye, and I'm right eye dominant.

I have a Hex Wasp micro red dot (3.5 MOA), free from the "gear-up" promotion, ready to install on my Echelon 4.5F Comp but I haven't taken the time yet. I want to "shoot the new" off of it first, before I start tinkering with it. :LOL: Besides, I agree with all these learned fellows when they say green is easier to see. I'm looking forward to your adventure.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
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Thanks for your help
 
Is it relevant to ask what distance and how fast you want to shoot with your optic? If you are shooting 21' and closer, a larger dot might not be a problem. The further your target, the smaller you want your dot. I'm pretty sure that is an accurate estimation. Then we get into "searching" for the dot in a critical situation....where the larger the better. There are so many qualifiers to answer the question...I guess that's why these forums are good. Everyone adds a tad bit of perspective.
 
Jfal said:
Is it relevant to ask what distance and how fast you want to shoot with your optic? If you are shooting 21' and closer, a larger dot might not be a problem. The further your target, the smaller you want your dot. I'm pretty sure that is an accurate estimation. Then we get into "searching" for the dot in a critical situation....where the larger the better. There are so many qualifiers to answer the question...I guess that's why these forums are good. Everyone adds a tad bit of perspective.
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Searching for your dot is about technique. 3 and 6 moa dots aren’t that different in size. If you’re chasing one, you’ll chase the other. Now if you use the Holosun ACSS Vulcan reticle it’s a different story.
 
SimonRL said:
Searching for your dot is about technique. 3 and 6 moa dots aren’t that different in size. If you’re chasing one, you’ll chase the other. Now if you use the Holosun ACSS Vulcan reticle it’s a different story.
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I wish there was a “really like” button. I’d use it on SimonRL’s reply.

I will only add:

-The tendency is to go too big with the dot. I would err to the smaller size.

-As some have said, if green is available, try it. Naturally, the exception is is your eyes don’t deal with green.

-Once you have the sight, GIVE THIS CHANGE SOME TIME. You’ve doubtless been using iron sighted handguns for a long time. Don’t shoot it a couple of times, or even a couple dozen times, and give up saying it’s not for you. It will be clumsy at first.
Yes, even if you’ve been using RDS on long guns. It’s a different problem.

-Likewise, when choosing a dot size, don’t look at two RDSs at the gun shop for 30-60 seconds and decide based on that. That will tell you next to nothing about how you’re going to like one later.
 
BarryinIN said:
I wish there was a “really like” button. I’d use it on SimonRL’s reply.

I will only add:

-The tendency is to go too big with the dot. I would err to the smaller size.

-As some have said, if green is available, try it. Naturally, the exception is is your eyes don’t deal with green.

-Once you have the sight, GIVE THIS CHANGE SOME TIME. You’ve doubtless been using iron sighted handguns for a long time. Don’t shoot it a couple of times, or even a couple dozen times, and give up saying it’s not for you. It will be clumsy at first.
Yes, even if you’ve been using RDS on long guns. It’s a different problem.

-Likewise, when choosing a dot size, don’t look at two RDSs at the gun shop for 30-60 seconds and decide based on that. That will tell you next to nothing about how you’re going to like one later.
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Excellent advice. Thanks for sharing it with me
 
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