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Replacing M1A stock to reduce weight

Does anyone here know what JUST the synthetic stock of an M1A Scout weighs ? My M1A setup, stock from S/A, with a 2.5-10 Trijicon scope weighs in just over 12 pounds. Something is not right because S/A says the rifle weighs 8lbs, 8 ozs. The scope weighs around 1.4 pounds. Its weight is wearing me down and I want to replace the stock for a MUCH lighter one like an Archangel or Delta 14. I'm now trying to get a more accurate idea of how much of a difference a lighter stock will be.

Thanks in advance,

Richard
 
The Archangel stock is heavier (4.2 lb) than the Synt factory stock. Plus it's larger & bulkier than the factory stock so....

Specifications for ProMag Archangel Springfield Armory M1A Precision Stock:
Gun Model:Springfield Armory M1A
Weight:4.2 lb

The Delta 14 weight is. 75 LBS for just the chassis. Add on weight for the stock adapter, pistol grip and stock of your choice. Example =
  1. Mesa Tactical adaptor (including hardware for mounting to Delta 14 Chassis)
  2. Pistol grip
  3. 6 position buffer tube
  4. UTG S2 stock
All that adds up & I'll bet it be heavier than the factory synthetic.

Your configuration above doesn't disclose the mounting system and rings you're using, plus any other stuff you have on it.

The bottom line is the factory sythetic stock is likely your lightest stock option.

My .02
 
This is likely your lightest option.,.

Yes another option. But the chasis still requires the buttstock itself.

I'll bet the factory synthetic stock is lighter than a USGI fiberglass, which is a bit lighter than the wood stocks.
 
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Yes another option. But the chasis still requires the buttstock itself.

I'll bet the factory syntetic stock is lighter than a USGI fiberglass, which is a bit lighter than the wood stocks.
Hold on...I've got a USGI synthetic I picked up or cheap shortly after got my M1A Precision Loaded...let me check the weight.

If I can remember where it is.
 
I get what you're saying Bfloating, but as my grandpappy used to say "you can't put tires on a mule and expect it to plow." (We actually had a mule named Honey that my grandfather would sometimes plow with because he never trusted mechanical technology and insisted that we all learn how to go-back-to the old ways if we wanted to avoid growing food by hand with a hoe. And if you stop and think about it, it makes sense. The man always had incredible gardens and, in the process I learned how to plow with a mule.)

Think about what an upgrade in weight it was to go from the rifle that won THE war (Garand) to the M14. Soldiers loved the weight reduction, lighter loads (including ammo), increased mag capacity and they raved about accuracy. But it was short-lived and for good reason.

The M1a (sic M14) platform wasn't made to be lightweight. It wasn't designed to be scoped. You can't put wheels on a mule and expect her to plow.

Caveat: I graduated from the old 82nd Airborne Sniper school in the 70s, one of the last classes before they combined the school with others and moved it to Benning .... and I did so with an M21. An M21 ... basically an accuratized (trigger, barrel and bedding) and scoped M14. We made 1000 meter qualifying kill shots with those rifles ... they're very capable. We never thought about making them lighter. We were happy to have 30 cal sticks capable of making such shots if we did our part.

I love the platform and own a couple of them including an Art Cavanaugh custom M21 build complete with all the goodies ... but no glass. Oh, I have a couple of M1a mounts but I started to ask myself ... why? For what purpose?

To each his own but, imho, an M1a has the greatest sights in history and it turns cover into concealment at 300-400 meters with those sights.

Also ... to heck with leather slings and straps. They're pretty but they're not functional on a service rifle. The military no longer endorses them for good reason ... go with nylon webbed slings.

Give staying pure some thought. It's easily a 500 meter rifle if you're young enough and your eyesight is good enough ... with open sights, or even Camp Perry sights.
 

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I have been through a lot of M14 stocks and the lightest stock that I have found for the M14/M1A is a particular Chinese Chu wood stock... it weighs less than 2 lbs with the metal thing that flips up. I have been reshaping the grip area... it remains a project 'to be continued'.
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I get what you're saying Bfloating, but as my grandpappy used to say "you can't put tires on a mule and expect it to plow." (We actually had a mule named Honey that my grandfather would sometimes plow with because he never trusted mechanical technology and insisted that we all learn how to go-back-to the old ways if we wanted to avoid growing food by hand with a hoe. And if you stop and think about it, it makes sense. The man always had incredible gardens and, in the process I learned how to plow with a mule.)

Think about what an upgrade in weight it was to go from the rifle that won THE war (Garand) to the M14. Soldiers loved the weight reduction, lighter loads (including ammo), increased mag capacity and they raved about accuracy. But it was short-lived and for good reason.

The M1a (sic M14) platform wasn't made to be lightweight. It wasn't designed to be scoped. You can't put wheels on a mule and expect her to plow.

Caveat: I graduated from the old 82nd Airborne Sniper school in the 70s, one of the last classes before they combined the school with others and moved it to Benning .... and I did so with an M21. An M21 ... basically an accuratized (trigger, barrel and bedding) and scoped M14. We made 1000 meter qualifying kill shots with those rifles ... they're very capable. We never thought about making them lighter. We were happy to have 30 cal sticks capable of making such shots if we did our part.

I love the platform and own a couple of them including an Art Cavanaugh custom M21 build complete with all the goodies ... but no glass. Oh, I have a couple of M1a mounts but I started to ask myself ... why? For what purpose?

To each his own but, imho, an M1a has the greatest sights in history and it turns cover into concealment at 300-400 meters with those sights.

Also ... to heck with leather slings and straps. They're pretty but they're not functional on a service rifle. The military no longer endorses them for good reason ... go with nylon webbed slings.

Give staying pure some thought. It's easily a 500 meter rifle if you're young enough and your eyesight is good enough ... with open sights, or even Camp Perry sights.
I truly appreciate both the time you spent composing this response and your service to our country. Back when you were in the 82nd, and dinosaurs roamed the earth, you and I were in our 20's and had no strength issues, no pains, no arthritis or the like. Back then, we could carry a bazooka around all day long. But that was then and this is now and I just turned 73. My AR rifles are a piece of cake to parade around with all day, as is my S/A St Victor pistol chambered in 300 blackout. But man, this S/A M1A weighs a ton. I live on a floating home. My exposure, if the **** hits the fan,. which I feel is just a matter of time, but thats a conversation for another day, is from directly across the river. Its precisely 320 yards away. I have been led to believe that my M1A along with the Trijicon 2.5-10 x 52 illuminated reticle glass that's on it is VERY capable of returning bullseye, center mass shots if the need arises. That is the sole purpose I have for this firearm. I don't hunt. I just LOVE shooting. Clay, steel, paper, don't matter much, just love to shoot. I've owned this particular rifle for 20 years. Bought it when I was 50 and again, much younger and stronger and so on. Shooting this big POWERFUL gun is still very manageable from a table top or a benchrest. Something to support this beast so that my torn rotator cuff shoulders don't have to. THAT'S why I was looking to make it lighter. But inasmuch as other than going to the range with it occasionally, it ain't leaving my house, I will manage just fine using it to defend my "pea patch". Lat time at the range, I was popping 2 1/2" groups at 200 yards. I'm guessing that might open up to 3 1/2 or even 5". That'll still be just fine and will "git the job done". Thanks again my friend.

Richard
 
Freds was the place to go to buy really nice M14 stocks at a great price at one time. I guess inflation has kicked in because some are very expensive now. I'm glad I got my walnut GI stocks years ago. Reducing the overall weight of your rifle will probably increase the amount of recoil you'll perceive.

https://www.fredsm14stocks.com/main.sc
I just peeped at Fred's web page. He wants over $800 for a refinished M1A walnut stock. Not in this lifetime !!!
 
See if you can use lighter rings, and maybe a lighter scope & mount.

9 pounds
I would not be surprised that I could find a lighter scope and mounts but that is not significant enough for what I have in mind. I just thought that the factory composite stock I have on this gun could be replaced with a lighter, "skeleton type, side folding stock, like my 5./56 and 300 B.O. have. I maybe dreaming. ;-). Thanks
 
The Delta 14 chassis is only .75 lbs. Seems like the lightest.
As mentioned earlier....

The Delta 14 weight is. 75 lbs. for just the chassis. Add on the weight for the stock adapter, pistol grip and stock of your choice. Example =
  1. Mesa Tactical adaptor (including hardware for mounting to Delta 14 Chassis)
  2. Pistol grip
  3. 6 position buffer tube
  4. UTG S2 stock
All that adds up
 
I would not be surprised that I could find a lighter scope and mounts but that is not significant enough for what I have in mind. I just thought that the factory composite stock I have on this gun could be replaced with a lighter, "skeleton type, side folding stock, like my 5./56 and 300 B.O. have. I maybe dreaming. ;-). Thanks
The Blackfeather is the lightest true chassis available, but adding a side folder, traditional mount, rings, and scope adds weight pretty quick... keep in mind that the complete barreled action & trigger group weighs a bit over 6 pounds before you add a stock.
 
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