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Saint Victor Carbine Feeding question..

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dcmkx2001

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Over 300 rounds total through the gun, first 150 I had 4 failure to feeds, dropped mag, pulled charging handle and live round fell out, for the first 150 rounds I only loaded the mags with 15 rounds

Next 215 rounds I kept track of which two mags I was using, loaded most mags full, had 1 failure to feed and it was when I loaded it with only 15 rounds, couldn't get it to missfeed again either fully loaded or 15 full

I cleaned and lubed the gun before each session, I only use cci blazer brass 115 in all my 9mm guns for plinking and have never had a missfeed or failure, I'm going to get at least 1000 rounds before I panic that I made the wrong purchase

I called Springfield and they said the gun shouldn't have any issues, it should be able to run dry and dirty, and eat pretty much anything, I primarily shoot for fun but also wanted something that would serve as a home defense option to go with my pistols so I want to to work flawlessly, Springfield said I can send it in for them to look at but I'd rather not if I don't have to

Any suggestions to get the rifle to run better or more consistently?
 
I've had exactly zero issues with mine through 1600 rounds so far. I think you are panicking over nothing considering you are barely through the break in period. Just load up the mags and shoot. The gun is still brand new. Colt mags and direct blowback are about as reliable as you can get next to roller delayed in an MP5 in my opinion.

Or get a short stroke gas piston-driven system. =P
 
HansGruber said:
Try different ammo; then try some different mags. Do one thing at a time.
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I agree. That said I run almost exclusively 124 gr. Blazer Brass in all my 9s. I’ve quite literally went through about 4 or 5 thousand rounds of it in the last few years and never, ever had a bad round. Now that don’t really mean much considering I have went through tens of thousands of rounds of WWB with no issues whatsoever and in the last few years several people here have experience a bunch of issues with them.

I know 9mm ain’t cheap as dirt anymore, but if it was me I would run mag after mag, fully loaded, until I figured out if it was a mag, a bad batch of ammo or the gun. If I couldn’t get the gun to run with zero failures I’d get rid of it.
 
Sorry to hear this. I've run 115, 124, and 147 reliably through mine. The only issues its ever had is when I tried ASC mags, both the 32 and 20, neither were reliable. Its never malfunctioned with the supplied SA (Metalform) mag or my Colt branded Metalform mag or Brownells branded Metalform mags or PSA branded Metalform mags or my 32 and 20 Metalform mags. I also got a 32 and 20 DuraMag and they have been reliable.

Which mags have you been using?
 
deadduck357 said:
Sorry to hear this. I've run 115, 124, and 147 reliably through mine. The only issues its ever had is when I tried ASC mags, both the 32 and 20, neither were reliable. Its never malfunctioned with the supplied SA (Metalform) mag or my Colt branded Metalform mag or Brownells branded Metalform mags or PSA branded Metalform mags or my 32 and 20 Metalform mags. I also got a 32 and 20 DuraMag and they have been reliable.

Which mags have you been using?
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The two 32 rounds metal mags it came with
 
What would "tender loving care" for the springs entail?

I attached pics of the two mags it came with. Also, I don't want to have to try different ammo. I'm relatively new to shooting, but CCI blazer brass should work in almost anything right? Plus it's readily available all the time 3 miles from my front door for 12 to 13 dollars a box. I'm going to two ranges this week and also plan on trying Sig hollow points as well. I purchased this gun while looking for a 9mm carbine because I felt Springfield was a solid company and I liked the colt style mags instead of Glock mags. I feel confident that Springfield will stand by the gun if I continue to have problems. The gun was on sale, came with an extra mag, red dot sight, cheap sling, and clothing voucher at my local store. That coupled with my perceived great build quality led me to the gun.


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Guns can be funny with ammo. We can both have the same gun and you might not have the same results with the same ammo as I might in mine (Perfect example is like right now with the carbine, blazer runs great in mine). They can be funny like that. Just the way it is.

Based on your last response, your unwillingness to experiment with different mags and/or ammo is a problem that is wholly yours. Things like this are inherent in the hobby and not out of the norm. Blaming the gun is the wrong answer because you have not tried to remedy your issue at all yet and it's such a small sample size on both shooting volume and malfunction issues that you really need to just go out and shoot to break it in. Clean and lube the gun. Load the mags as much as you can. Shoot. Break in the springs. They are stiff as hell when they are new.

Springfield has probably the best warranty/customer service in the industry, but I do not think the gun is the problem. Go shoot it more instead of claiming the gun is faulty when it's yet to be broken in.

You are overthinking this. Relax and shoot it.
 
ddeuce22 said:
Guns can be funny with ammo. We can both have the same gun and you might not have the same results with the same ammo as I might in mine (Perfect example is like right now with the carbine, blazer runs great in mine). They can be funny like that. Just the way it is.

Based on your last response, your unwillingness to experiment with different mags and/or ammo is a problem that is wholly yours. Things like this are inherent in the hobby and not out of the norm. Blaming the gun is the wrong answer because you have not tried to remedy your issue at all yet and it's such a small sample size on both shooting volume and malfunction issues that you really need to just go out and shoot to break it in. Clean and lube the gun. Load the mags as much as you can. Shoot. Break in the springs. They are stiff as hell when they are new.

Springfield has probably the best warranty/customer service in the industry, but I do not think the gun is the problem. Go shoot it more instead of claiming the gun is faulty when it's yet to be broken in.

You are overthinking this. Relax and shoot it.
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Agree, but I still doubt it's the ammo. 5 FTF in 365 rounds does not sound like an ammo problem to me. It sounds like a growing pains problem. Like you said, lube it and shoot the F out of it. I have a feeling everything will settle in just fine.
 
Bassbob said:
Agree, but I still doubt it's the ammo. 5 FTF in 365 rounds does not sound like an ammo problem to me. It sounds like a growing pains problem. Like you said, lube it and shoot the F out of it. I have a feeling everything will settle in just fine.
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Same. I think it's just a break in period thing. I had the same issue with my X5 Legion when it was brand new. Bunch of FTE/FTF. After a few hundred rounds the damn thing ran like a top. Never had a feed issue again.

Homeboy needs to just shoot it. I just hate when people ask for advice and it's given, and their response is "Well I don't want to do that". Then why ask?
 
I’d try some C-Products mags (red plastic follower). Those, metalforms (Colt OEM) and Brownells ran best in my Colt 6951.

115gr is a little light for SMG based 9mm carbine designs; they are really built around 124gr NATO ball (or hotter). I’m willing to bet if you picked up some 124’s, you’d see better reliability.
 
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