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Scopes discussion

BangBang

BangBang

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Seen a little bit of discussion about scopes and I have seen a few articles linked referencing scopes. I’m no “professional” or “scholar” on scopes. I have spent a little time behind one and have been taught a few things being behind a scope. I’m at a point I don’t require, for better terms a NightForce or high end Leupold for what I’m doing in terms of my shooting applications. I’m not in PRS matches right now. I hunt and shoot on my own property and for my purpose and research the scopes I have serve me well.
That being said, I am a fan of Vortex, the Viper series and Razor series. Offers great glass and the magnification, at all powers I need at a price that is comfortable comparable to NightForce or Leupold. Vortex is not the only one, just one of my favorites on my list.
We have all heard the old saying, your glass should cost as much as your rifle, or more. You could get by with a lower quality scope, but for how long? What type of shooting are you doing? Hunting? Target? Long Range? Precision? Friends of mine have $1,000.00 scopes min. On .22 rifles, for precise shooting. It all comes down to your intended purpose. You have a scout rifle, put a scout scope on it. You have a precision rifle, put a high magnification sole on it, one that is clear and transmits light You have a hunting rifle, a 3-9x40 could be just fine so long it is a quality scope. By all means put in your comments. As I said I’ve seen some post/comments regarding scopes. https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/hunting/understanding-riflescope-brightness-misconceptions/
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/guns/rifles/2014/06/complete-guide-riflescopes/
https://www.berettatrident.com/rifle-scopes/
 
It's not always the cheapest scope, but over the years, I've found Burris glass to just be simply outstanding in its quality and clarity. I had a 1 x 4 x 24 illuminated reticle scope on my Bushmaster AR15 and at 100 yards it was a tack driver, mainly because of the glass, not the shooter...lol. I actually had a FF3 red dot that I bought that came non-functioning, something was wrong with the emitter, I think it happened during shipping, the box was pretty beat up when it I received it. But, when I called Burris, they Fed Exd me a new one overnight....yeah, overnight, got me an RMA number and sent a box with the new FF3 red dot to send the broken one back in, and sent me a Burris hat with the new one with a letter of apology. I was astounded at the level of customer service so I've gone back to Burris a couple of times just based on that experience. My dad has a Burris XTRIII on his Savage 6.5 Creedmore and it's just a pleasure to shoot at 100-250 yards. I haven't seen anything to deter me from buying Burris again if the need arises, solid customer service and the glass is as clear any scope I've looked thru. Just my two cents.....
 
Based on what I have heard from several sources, most scopes will look and function the same during optimal shooting conditions, but when you have low light situations the premium scopes will really start to shine.

I don't spend a ton on optics but will definitely do research to make sure that the optic is rugged and will stand up to hard use.
 
Grifter said:
Based on what I have heard from several sources, most scopes will look and function the same during optimal shooting conditions, but when you have low light situations the premium scopes will really start to shine.

I don't spend a ton on optics but will definitely do research to make sure that the optic is rugged and will stand up to hard use.
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I agree to an extent. From my experience, the lower end scopes won’t track as well as the higher end scopes, low light or not. And again this is and could be for a precision or long range application. “Shooting the Square” will show you if your scope tracks to your manufactures specs or not.
 
I have a Ruger 10/22 with a UTG bugbuster on it and at 100 yards I can group well with it on paper. At 50 yards I have taken many squirrels and rabbits with it and I paid $94.99 for it. On My M110A1 I have a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50 FFP optic. Those can be bought for less than $400 and is right around $500 with the Vortex 1 piece mount (Made in USA mount). On my precision rifle in6.5 Creedmoor I have a Burris XTR II 5-25×50 I paid just under $1000.00 for so there are plenty of options that don't beat the heck out of your piggy bank too much.

https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-diamondback-tactical-6-24x50-ffp-riflescope.html
 
Now the next problem with all equal(same brand and series)! Regardless of cost and finding 2 that will function(track and reset) can be difficult from some reviews I have read from retailers sites. Factory not fixing and/or replacing with new ones that work! I've seen this with reviews on 1k+ scopes also. I have scopes that range from $250-1,500 and various manufacturers. If your eyes are good enough too overcome low light and lower quality glass then it's a +. In my case I can shoot just as well without price being a factor. For those shooting a mile and beyond with a high quality 27x compared too a lower cost 50+ power I can't say anything. I have the range too shoot 1.5miles+, but haven't tried it yet. 600 yards with a old leupold(1980 purchase) on a 264wm and downed many prairie dogs. 3 factors: Mind, Eyes and Wallet will probably most peoples purchase reasoning.
 
Good eyes is always a plus. Shooting a course or whatever at 600+ yards with a sightmark or the likes of compared to a 1,500.00 scope at targets such as prairie dogs or 8-10” plates in plains or desert or mountain territory you will, or should see a difference. That’s all I was saying. Nothing wrong with a 95.00 scope for busting squirrels. It’s all about the application. I’m not advocating a 1,000.00 scope on every platform.
 
I’ve got a buddy who is, in his own words, a “glass snob”. Zeiss, Swarovski, Hensoldt, Schmidt-Bender...this is what most of his rifles wear. The cool thing is—I get to try them out.

And, what what I’ve learned is that good glass is very much something where you do get what you pay for...but it’s up to the user to decide if it's worth it. It’s also a case of diminishing returns, after a certain point...

Example I can immediately think of is that I had a precision AR a while back that I put a Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14x50 on...this is not an inexpensive scope, nor what I think anyone would think is a junk.

But, compared to his Swarovski 4-16x50...the image clarity was striking. Printed out one of those scope test sheets...you could make out the smallest lines at 200yds in the Swarovski, where the Leupold just looked like a gray block.

So, you are getting something for the money.
 
BangBang said:
Seen a little bit of discussion about scopes and I have seen a few articles linked referencing scopes. I’m no “professional” or “scholar” on scopes. I have spent a little time behind one and have been taught a few things being behind a scope. I’m at a point I don’t require, for better terms a NightForce or high end Leupold for what I’m doing in terms of my shooting applications. I’m not in PRS matches right now. I hunt and shoot on my own property and for my purpose and research the scopes I have serve me well.
That being said, I am a fan of Vortex, the Viper series and Razor series. Offers great glass and the magnification, at all powers I need at a price that is comfortable comparable to NightForce or Leupold. Vortex is not the only one, just one of my favorites on my list.
We have all heard the old saying, your glass should cost as much as your rifle, or more. You could get by with a lower quality scope, but for how long? What type of shooting are you doing? Hunting? Target? Long Range? Precision? Friends of mine have $1,000.00 scopes min. On .22 rifles, for precise shooting. It all comes down to your intended purpose. You have a scout rifle, put a scout scope on it. You have a precision rifle, put a high magnification sole on it, one that is clear and transmits light You have a hunting rifle, a 3-9x40 could be just fine so long it is a quality scope. By all means put in your comments. As I said I’ve seen some post/comments regarding scopes. https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/hunting/understanding-riflescope-brightness-misconceptions/
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/guns/rifles/2014/06/complete-guide-riflescopes/
https://www.berettatrident.com/rifle-scopes/
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My Scopes and Optics I own are the ART Scope by Jim Leatherwoods Design Hi-Lux / Leatherwood / Hi-Lux now makes the M1000 PRO Designed with hunters in mind, the 2-10 x 42 ART M1000-PRO rifle scope automatically compensates for bullet trajectory from distances of 200 to 1000 yards - eliminating the need for elevation holdovers. & the M1200 The 6-24 x 50 ART M12000 rifle scope automatically compensates for bullet trajectory from distances of 300 to 1200 meters for calibers from .223 Remington up to .50 BMG.

The HI-LUX ART M1200 https://hi-luxoptics.com/collection...i-lux-leatherwood-art-m1200-6x-24x-riflescope

The HI-LUX ART M1000 PRO https://hi-luxoptics.com/collections/tactical-rifle-scopes-and-optics/products/m1000-pro

The Hi-Lux XTC14X34 scope was specifically designed for CMP and NRA High Power "Across the Course" Competition.
https://hi-luxoptics.com/products/hi-lux-across-the-course-xtc14x34-competition-rifle-scope

The Hi-Lux Phenom 5X-30X 56 FFP Rifle Scope Specifically designed for precision long-range shooting, the Phenom 5-30X, the High-Lux Phenom 5-30X is a first focal plane scope featuring the illuminated CW-3 reticle. https://hi-luxoptics.com/products/hi-lux-optics-phenom-5x-30x-56-ffp

The Hi-Lux PentaLux TAC-VF 4X-20X FFP Rifle Scope G2 https://hi-luxoptics.com/products/hi-lux-optics-pentalux-tac-vf-4x-20x-ffp

The SightMark Latitude 10-40x60 F-Class Riflescope https://sightmark.com/product.php?item=1099

The Sight Mark Wolfhound 6x44 HS-223 Prismatic Sight with Mini Shot M-Spec Reflex Sight. https://sightmark.com/product.php?item=1022

The Sight Mark Photon RT 4.5x42S Digital Night Vision Riflescope https://sightmark.com/product.php?item=998

The Sight Mark Mini Shot M-Spec FMS. https://sightmark.com/product.php?item=998

The Sight Mark Mini Shot M-Spec LQD https://sightmark.com/product.php?item=998

The Primary Arms SLx 4-14x44mm FFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS-HUD-DMR-308/223.
https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44mm-riflescope-acss-hud-dmr-308-223-reticle
 
BangBang said:
That being said, I am a fan of Vortex, the Viper series and Razor series. Offers great glass and the magnification, at all powers I need at a price that is comfortable comparable to NightForce or Leupold. Vortex is not the only one, just one of my favorites on my list.
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oh, man, sign me up. Those scopes are fantastic!
I wish I could buy the Vortex Viper... but the price is rather big. I guess, I'll just save some money to make myself a present for NY, haha
 
Grifter said:
Based on what I have heard from several sources, most scopes will look and function the same during optimal shooting conditions, but when you have low light situations the premium scopes will really start to shine.

I don't spend a ton on optics but will definitely do research to make sure that the optic is rugged and will stand up to hard use.
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Agreed
Rainy or low light is where a quality optic shines thru.
Quality may not mean expense, but bargain scopes that skimp on QC in the optic or air tight housing will show their flaws.
Had a inexpensive scope fog up and had a deer come out. Was not a happy camper wiping lenses and lack of clarity.
 
For me and my tired older eyes a scope is paramount for longer distance target shooting, right now and for the forcible future my only long gun is my M1A .308 and the scope on that gun is Sig Sauer Sierra3BDX I first tried a vortex and just didn’t like it but not saying it’s a bad scope it just wasn’t for me, just like I’m partial to Springfield guns I’m partial to Sig Sauer optics.
 
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