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Self Defense Myths that just Won't Die

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I am finding the article to be very informative and Although I’m not done reading it all I can’t help to think how much it relates to how many people have run out and purchased firearms during this pandemic scare to supposedly protect themselves and have NO IDEA what they are doing or the responsibility that surrounds gun ownership.
I just can’t imagine someone owning or thinking just by buying and loading a gun that they can protect or defend themselves if confronted by someone intent on doing them harm.
 
Keystone19250 said:
I am finding the article to be very informative and Although I’m not done reading it all I can’t help to think how much it relates to how many people have run out and purchased firearms during this pandemic scare to supposedly protect themselves and have NO IDEA what they are doing or the responsibility that surrounds gun ownership.
I just can’t imagine someone owning or thinking just by buying and loading a gun that they can protect or defend themselves if confronted by someone intent on doing them harm.
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Don’t worry.

They’ll watch some YouTube videos, they’ll be fine.
 
It is a good article. I can sense some of us are a little resentful that it took a pandemic to make some folks realize that the guns and the Second Amendment are important and what make the United States the United States. Let's try to be gentle with them. All of us had to start somewhere.
 
People with little or no experience with firearms use them to save their lives far more often than they hurt themselves or someone else accidentally. Basic gun safety is not rocket science. Not everyone is as enthusiastic about proficiency with armed self defense as we are. You don't have to take classes with some gun guru or even have tactical training in order to safely and effectively protect yourself. Yeah, I have training and I train regularly. Because A) I am in a situation which increases my odds of needing it and B) I enjoy it. Should we mandate that this criteria be applied to anyone who decides to buy a firearm?

If someone wants to post some factual statistics on how many "untrained" first time gun owners cause harm to themselves or others I'd like to see it. I'm going to take an educated guess that the number is lower than the number of crimes committed by people with AR type rifles, and every single one of us here uses THAT lack of statistical significance to vocally oppose increased regulation and outright bans on "Assault weapons".

I think rather than admonishing people for deciding they need a gun and complaining about how stupid and potentially dangerous they are we would all be better served to help these people understand the ramifications of owning or carrying a gun for self defense and show them how to do it safely. Welcome new gun owners into the fold, they could be helpful allies in combating the onslaught of gun control laws. All these sort of attitudes and conversations do is lead down a slippery slope which ultimately dilutes and erodes the strength and meaning of the second amendment.

Personally I would prefer complete, unrestricted 2A rights to the litany of ridiculous gun laws we have now. Does anyone here actually believe that laws prohibiting felons from owning guns actually keeps felons from having guns? Last time I checked the second amendment didn't require you to have some sort of government mandated training to exercise your rights nor does the phrase "except some classes of undesirable people, to be determined later by lawmakers and public opinion" appear after the word "People".
 
I don’t believe any of the professionals on this forum or in this post in particular have used the word “stupid” to describe the people who have rushed out to purchase a firearm during this incredible stressful time. In so many ways we should applaud them for taking the initiative to take this very important step to ensure they are doing everything they can to protect themselves and their loved ones.
My concern is the majority of these people are buying weapons because they are understandably scared and for some people fear causes irrational thinking.
Let’s stop and think about what the gun “haters” will do if shootings escalate? They will use this as ammunition
“no pun intended” to help prove their point on why our guns should be taken away.
My 2 cents.
 
Bassbob said:
People with little or no experience with firearms use them to save their lives far more often than they hurt themselves or someone else accidentally. Basic gun safety is not rocket science. Not everyone is as enthusiastic about proficiency with armed self defense as we are. You don't have to take classes with some gun guru or even have tactical training in order to safely and effectively protect yourself. Yeah, I have training and I train regularly. Because A) I am in a situation which increases my odds of needing it and B) I enjoy it. Should we mandate that this criteria be applied to anyone who decides to buy a firearm?

If someone wants to post some factual statistics on how many "untrained" first time gun owners cause harm to themselves or others I'd like to see it. I'm going to take an educated guess that the number is lower than the number of crimes committed by people with AR type rifles, and every single one of us here uses THAT lack of statistical significance to vocally oppose increased regulation and outright bans on "Assault weapons".

I think rather than admonishing people for deciding they need a gun and complaining about how stupid and potentially dangerous they are we would all be better served to help these people understand the ramifications of owning or carrying a gun for self defense and show them how to do it safely. Welcome new gun owners into the fold, they could be helpful allies in combating the onslaught of gun control laws. All these sort of attitudes and conversations do is lead down a slippery slope which ultimately dilutes and erodes the strength and meaning of the second amendment.

Personally I would prefer complete, unrestricted 2A rights to the litany of ridiculous gun laws we have now. Does anyone here actually believe that laws prohibiting felons from owning guns actually keeps felons from having guns? Last time I checked the second amendment didn't require you to have some sort of government mandated training to exercise your rights nor does the phrase "except some classes of undesirable people, to be determined later by lawmakers and public opinion" appear after the word "People".
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I agree with you bassbob. It's my take that if we as a group of gun owners start putting restrictions on new gun owners that never had any experience with a firearm, we're no better that the "control" that the anti 2A crowd wants to place on us.
 
Keystone19250 said:
I don’t believe any of the professionals on this forum or in this post in particular have used the word “stupid” to describe the people who have rushed out to purchase a firearm during this incredible stressful time. In so many ways we should applaud them for taking the initiative to take this very important step to ensure they are doing everything they can to protect themselves and their loved ones.
My concern is the majority of these people are buying weapons because they are understandably scared and for some people fear causes irrational thinking.
Let’s stop and think about what the gun “haters” will do if shootings escalate? They will use this as ammunition
“no pun intended” to help prove their point on why our guns should be taken away.
My 2 cents.
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My take Keystone19250, is they will use any ammunition against us whether it's true or not. I hear where you're coming from, but in my opinion, I'm getting tired of having to think "how will this make us look to the anti 2A crowd". Yes, Firearm safety is very important and we should strongly suggest these new owners take a course or talk with a friend that owns firearms, etc., bu I myself welcome more gun owners and think it will make our pro 2A group stronger.
 
I think that people who have never felt the need to arm themselves, who are now deciding to arm themselves, are far less likely to do something monumentally asinine than most of the guys on those tactical pages on FB and elsewhere who watched a few military movies and decided to call themselves Boogaloo boys, spouting nonsense about how they are going to smoke ATF agents and anyone else who gets in their way. Most of those guys spend much more time talking about how bad ass they are than they do on the range drilling and shooting.

Being a free(ish) country, those guys are within their rights to talk **** all day long, I don't care. I don't care that they're armed. I already deal with armed morons every day who absolutely can and will shoot people so que sera sera.
 
Keystone19250 said:
Let me be clear. I am not against people going out and purchasing firearms, it is highly important that we all do what we need and have to do to protect ourselves and our families. I was only voicing my concern about how it can work against them if they are not careful.
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I didn't mean to seem like I was singling you out brother. I am actually having a nearly identical conversation on another forum. Unlike you, some of the guys over there seem to be lamenting these new gun owners in some sort of "Virtue signaling" thing. Pretty much just trying to let everyone know how cool, responsible and well trained they are.

Anyway, my apologies Keystone, I wasn't trying to stir anything up and I do agree that everyone who carries or plans to use a gun if they ever need to defend themselves could certainly benefit from training. Gun safety at a very minimum.
 
Bassbob said:
I didn't mean to seem like I was singling you out brother. I am actually having a nearly identical conversation on another forum. Unlike you, some of the guys over there seem to be lamenting these new gun owners in some sort of "Virtue signaling" thing. Pretty much just trying to let everyone know how cool, responsible and well trained they are.

Anyway, my apologies Keystone, I wasn't trying to stir anything up and I do agree that everyone who carries or plans to use a gun if they ever need to defend themselves could certainly benefit from training. Gun safety at a very minimum.
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No apologies necessary my friend I feel we are ALL on the same page wanting everyone to be safeguarded and safe.
 
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