shot placement.

[ECS686]

again, you are "assuming" everywhere shooting for the holster is allowed.....it is not, at all 3 ranges i go to.

again, you are pretty much giving us LE information, over private citizens.

it just does not work that way.

as far as "justifiable" (at times) shooting in the back?

i'll try to remember to not do that here. if not only due to being told in Law class NOT to, but it'll carry over in civil court as well.

perhaps a "disclaimer" on your part like, "where this is allowed"...????

rather than to assume it IS allowed all over the place..???

Again respectfully, not sure why you have an issue which my posts. On the holster, I didn’t assume anything. You assume your problem of not having a range that allows folks to draw is my problem when it’s not. I simply referred to a course of fire that is relevant to gauge one’s abilities. If a range doesn’t allow drawing from a holster maybe you should find another range. Further more many take a CCW class to allow one to carry said gun around in a holster yet when they do a shooting part of their test they don’t allow anyone to draw from a holster what the heck is the point of the class? I know to fill a state requirement

I’d say Find a range that that does allow holster drawing or here’s an idea. Go to a Range Master (Tom Givens) First Person Safety (Lee Weems) Two Pillars (John Hearne) or other reputable class. That give one a lot more in-depth knowledges if when and more importantly when not to shoot!

As far as the LE vs Civilian shooting there are similarities more than you are admitting. Like assessing if a shot is even legal, warranted and where the real difference between a technical shooter (like competition) and the application shooter (real world assessment and not pointing a loaded firearm at innocent non participants)

 

[Old_Me]

Again respectfully, not sure why you have an issue which my posts. On the holster, I didn’t assume anything. You assume your problem of not having a range that allows folks to draw is my problem when it’s not. I simply referred to a course of fire that is relevant to gauge one’s abilities. If a range doesn’t allow drawing from a holster maybe you should find another range. Further more many take a CCW class to allow one to carry said gun around in a holster yet when they do a shooting part of their test they don’t allow anyone to draw from a holster what the heck is the point of the class? I know to fill a state requirement

I’d say Find a range that that does allow holster drawing or here’s an idea. Go to a Range Master (Tom Givens) First Person Safety (Lee Weems) Two Pillars (John Hearne) or other reputable class. That give one a lot more in-depth knowledges if when and more importantly when not to shoot!

As far as the LE vs Civilian shooting there are similarities more than you are admitting. Like assessing if a shot is even legal, warranted and where the real difference between a technical shooter (like competition) and the application shooter (real world assessment and not pointing a loaded firearm at innocent non participants)

drawing from the holster is not generally allowed here in this area.

there are no other ranges to seek out.

private clubs here also do not allow this. i know, i belong to one.

no,........ civilian and LE shootings are different here, and i'd believe everyplace else.

as civilians we simply cannot shoot a fleeing thug, where cops have Carte Blanche on that.

your training of LE's and "other agencies" simply does not apply to the civilian world, where we are just not allowed.

again, a "disclaimer" on your part, of what you want to say regarding shootings, is better served than an assumption we are all allowed to do what you and LE's and "other agencies" can do.

 

[Lexie__M]

How about this lil girl, Tactical Mia in her videos, she shoots tactical from a holster.

Tactical Mia

Tactical Mia. 22,710 likes · 10,681 talking about this. Professional Shooter @ 8 years old / Parent owned acct

www.facebook.com

Maybe, just maybe there are a few places that is how they do things?

 

[Bassbob]

drawing from the holster is not generally allowed here in this area.

there are no other ranges to seek out.

private clubs here also do not allow this. i know, i belong to one.

no,........ civilian and LE shootings are different here, and i'd believe everyplace else.

as civilians we simply cannot shoot a fleeing thug, where cops have Carte Blanche on that.

your training of LE's and "other agencies" simply does not apply to the civilian world, where we are just not allowed.

again, a "disclaimer" on your part, of what you want to say regarding shootings, is better served than an assumption we are all allowed to do what you and LE's and "other agencies" can do.

So you are untrained at drawing from a holster but you believe the fact that you took some crap 8 hour class and paid your ounce of flesh to the government makes you somehow more responsible with a firearm than those of us in constitutional carry states ??

 

[Bassbob]

Again respectfully, not sure why you have an issue which my posts. On the holster, I didn’t assume anything. You assume your problem of not having a range that allows folks to draw is my problem when it’s not. I simply referred to a course of fire that is relevant to gauge one’s abilities. If a range doesn’t allow drawing from a holster maybe you should find another range. Further more many take a CCW class to allow one to carry said gun around in a holster yet when they do a shooting part of their test they don’t allow anyone to draw from a holster what the heck is the point of the class? I know to fill a state requirement

I’d say Find a range that that does allow holster drawing or here’s an idea. Go to a Range Master (Tom Givens) First Person Safety (Lee Weems) Two Pillars (John Hearne) or other reputable class. That give one a lot more in-depth knowledges if when and more importantly when not to shoot!

As far as the LE vs Civilian shooting there are similarities more than you are admitting. Like assessing if a shot is even legal, warranted and where the real difference between a technical shooter (like competition) and the application shooter (real world assessment and not pointing a loaded firearm at innocent non participants)

Sounds to me like he maybe needs to seek out an instructor and get some training. Not being trained to draw from a holster is dangerous.

 

[KillerFord1977]

How about this lil girl Mia?
She started shooting pistols when she was 8.
See how well this small frame girl handles all types of firearm in tactical training.
Yes training is everything, just watch her videos.
While she prefers the 9mm she has video of her with 10mm. so much for girls with limp wrist.

NRA Family | Rising Shooting Stars: Tactical Mia

On the range, she's the exception to the exception ... and we think she'll prove to rule.

www.nrafamily.org

My little girl, well, 19 in college, can sure handle shot placement and on the run…she loves the shooting sports and hunting..

10 yard target

 

[Lexie__M]

My little girl, well, 19 in college, can sure handle shot placement and on the run…she loves the shooting sports and hunting..
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10 yard target

Outstanding, start them learning, training when young

 

[Old_Me]

So you are untrained at drawing from a holster but you believe the fact that you took some crap 8 hour class and paid your ounce of flesh to the government makes you somehow more responsible with a firearm than those of us in constitutional carry states ??

i know well enough not to shoot someone in the back.......then get arrested for it, and sued to high hell.

one cannot advocate shooting someone in the back as a LE (or other agency police) can.....

he needs to know that as a fact as well.

Sounds to me like he maybe needs to seek out an instructor and get some training. Not being trained to draw from a holster is dangerous.

closest place to me for that is the Sig "school" up in NH......and i ain't about to travel 4 hours or so to get there. then 4 hours back.

everyone here on this site, takes for granted what you have, and what is available to you..

 

[Bassbob]

i know well enough not to shoot someone in the back.......then get arrested for it, and sued to high hell.

one cannot advocate shooting someone in the back as a LE (or other agency police) can.....

he needs to know that as a fact as well.

closest place to me for that is the Sig "school" up in NH......and i ain't about to travel 4 hours or so to get there. then 4 hours back.

everyone here on this site, takes for granted what you have, and what is available to you..

Well I hope you are dry firing, practicing draw, sight picture and trigger press with an unloaded gun. If not you should. If god forbid you ever need to defend yourself or your family while you’re out and about that time you spent practicing will pay huge dividends.

 

[Old_Me]

Well I hope you are dry firing, practicing draw, sight picture and trigger press with an unloaded gun. If not you should. If god forbid you ever need to defend yourself or your family while you’re out and about that time you spent practicing will pay huge dividends.

i do, and i use snap caps, never dry fire.


if i were younger, and didn't have as many back operations as i have had, then i'd have paid the mere $200 to go to the Sig training.

a 1 hour drive kills me, so 8 hours? then on my feet all day long?

ummmm........no way.

 

[HansGruber]

This is what I've learned:

Learn to shoot from shooters.

Learn the law from lawyers.

While there are some trainers that can check both boxes, you'll never get as in depth training on either subject.

 

[Lexie__M]

This is what I've learned:

Learn to shoot from shooters.

Learn the law from lawyers.

While there are some trainers that can check both boxes, you'll never get as in depth training on either subject.

Yes you do learn from people who are more experienced then you in anything.

As far as a lawyer is concerned, the have to pass the BAR (“British Accredited Registry.”).
What is the difference between "Admiralty law and US Constitution Law"?
Yes know they lie as usual and say it is not, however we have all been lied to for a very long time.

Yes there are others: MBE etc.
In time, we all will see the truth. Trust the Plan

 

[Bassbob]

This is what I've learned:

Learn to shoot from shooters.

Learn the law from lawyers.

While there are some trainers that can check both boxes, you'll never get as in depth training on either subject.

How in depth into the law do you really need to go regarding justifiable self defense ? I am no lawyer and I have never taken a class by a lawyer, but I am pretty damn sure I can answer any scenario you can throw at me as to whether or not you are justified to use deadly force. The only gray areas are with regards to determining if it is/was reasonable for someone to assume they were under threat. And frankly if the bogey is unarmed and you aren't sure you are being threatened you shouldn't shoot him.

 

[HansGruber]

How in depth into the law do you really need to go regarding justifiable self defense ? I am no lawyer and I have never taken a class by a lawyer, but I am pretty damn sure I can answer any scenario you can throw at me as to whether or not you are justified to use deadly force. The only gray areas are with regards to determining if it is/was reasonable for someone to assume they were under threat. And frankly if the bogey is unarmed and you aren't sure you are being threatened you shouldn't shoot him.

Most of it, in most states, is mostly common sense—“don’t shoot unless you absolutely, positively have no other option”.

However, if a person had a specific question…better to ask a lawyer (a criminal defense lawyer in particular) than a shooting trainer.

 

[Bassbob]

Most of it, in most states, is mostly common sense—“don’t shoot unless you absolutely, positively have no other option”.

However, if a person had a specific question…better to ask a lawyer (a criminal defense lawyer in particular) than a shooting trainer.

That's a fact.

Most of the classes I take are from a retired Military/retired LEO. He's no lawyer but he is a CCW instructor as well as a certified police instructor and a retired USMC firearms instructor. So I kinda went the other way.