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silencers (suppressors) for revolvers..???

Old_Me

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ok, got up earlier than my usual 4:30 AM, and as i was drinking my iced coffee, watching an old Barnaby Jones episode..

a "hitman" had a revolver, didn't see the make, but it had a rather "fat" silencer on it, and about as long as you'd see (or buy) for any pistol semi-automatic.

i'd suspect it was a .38 special, that's the "usual" caliber revolver i have seen on that show, along with many times, a 1911, or some sort of smaller caliber semi-automatic, like maybe a .380..??

so even though i did now just look up suppressors for revolvers, and this one....a Russian model......Nagant, is said to be built in such a way, that it is "quieter" than most revolvers.....i'd not be certain that was the revolver used on the show...., cuz why the "fat can" on the muzzle end.>??

but like i said, this one had a "fat" type of silencer on it.....and you still have that gap between the wheel and the forcing cone as well.....

anyone familiar or have had one or seen a revolver with a screw-on silencer/suppressor..???

thanks in advance.
 
No. And it's stupid. The problem with TV shows is that no one, even today, takes the time to even get a basic understanding of firearms.

It's like on the show Major Crimes/The Closer, when they make a big deal about a guy having a flash hider. They called it a suppressor or something. Or when Lt. Tao finds a bunch of casings at the scene and proceeds to tell the captain the exact model of gun they came from. It's ridiculous.
 
Pure Hollywood.

You can’t really suppress a revolver (besides the Nagant, see below) because if the cylinder gap.

The Nagant’s cylinder actually slides forward during firing, closing that gap…that’s why it can be suppressed (although supposedly, it’s not all that effective; I’ve no firsthand experience either way).
 
KillerFord1977 said:
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yes, he is using the Russian Nagant....thing too is, all i heard was a few clicks, i never saw any signs of smoke, so i never got to hear any "snuffling" like in the show this morning.

like i said, if only i could have seen the revolver more closely...

maybe it was a Nagant......since unless lots of work would have been done for the show..

however, "hitmen" from some of the movies i have seen, especially James Bond movies, and some "Mob" movies, maybe a gunsmith makes them up special..???

i dunno, i just found that episode interesting.
 
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Bassbob said:
No. And it's stupid. The problem with TV shows is that no one, even today, takes the time to even get a basic understanding of firearms.

It's like on the show Major Crimes/The Closer, when they make a big deal about a guy having a flash hider. They called it a suppressor or something. Or when Lt. Tao finds a bunch of casings at the scene and proceeds to tell the captain the exact model of gun they came from. It's ridiculous.
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and too, nearly all tv shows, movies have "technical advisors" either military or police, as well as armorers..

somewhere, somehow, with todays' audiences being more keenly aware, one would think that proper weapons, and handling would be used.

i do watch and "catch" old tv shows and movies with LEO and the bad guys, running with the finger on the trigger, and i do catch in newer shows/movies, finger off the trigger.

they, "the directors, producers, and armorers" have to realize the audience isn't as dumb as they think many are.
 
Old_Me said:
and too, nearly all tv shows, movies have "technical advisors" either military or police, as well as armorers..

somewhere, somehow, with todays' audiences being more keenly aware, one would think that proper weapons, and handling would be used.

i do watch and "catch" old tv shows and movies with LEO and the bad guys, running with the finger on the trigger, and i do catch in newer shows/movies, finger off the trigger.

they, "the directors, producers, and armorers" have to realize the audience isn't as dumb as they think many are.
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Someone brought something up here last week that is worth remembering. Back in the day before the proliferation of semi auto handguns and especially striker fired, safetyless handguns, the whole keep your finger off the trigger thing wasn’t nearly as universally recognized and practiced.
Which is good. It means that when carrying guns with light trigger weights and no safety became the norm, the gun community responded by ingraining upgraded safety considerations into the lexicon.
 
The Model 1895 Russian Nagant revolver is somewhat unique in that the cylinder moves forward to seal against the forcing cone. This also makes it capable of being suppressed.
However, its also one of the worst firearms ever issued. Its awkward to hold, fires an under powered cartridge and has an absolutely horrible trigger pull. The DA pull is 20+ lbs and goes beyond the limits of my trigger gauge.
Some years back, my best friend gave me one as a Christmas present. At that time you could buy the gun, holster and accessories as a set for around $80. For an extra $20 you could get an extra cylinder chambered for .32acp, which I do have.
While its basically a POS, the Nagant revolver is an interesting piece of history.

https://imgur.com/eIviRuN
 
Bassbob said:
Someone brought something up here last week that is worth remembering. Back in the day before the proliferation of semi auto handguns and especially striker fired, safetyless handguns, the whole keep your finger off the trigger thing wasn’t nearly as universally recognized and practiced.
Which is good. It means that when carrying guns with light trigger weights and no safety became the norm, the gun community responded by ingraining upgraded safety considerations into the lexicon.
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A quick comment here. I don't watch TV. Few movies. All the comments here are on point; I would add that there are some modern armorers, (RUST, with her in jail, yet Baldwin goes free ) who should be best serving up fries at a fast food enterprise rather than handling firearms.
 
I recollect an article from the 1980's that discussed a government agency having revolvers that were fit with a silencer. Supposedly the barrel/cylinder gap was next to nothing and they were only good for one cylinder of ammo before cleaning. There was also the Vietnam era QSPR cartridge in the Model 29 Smith that used a round of ammo that was sealed and pushed the bullet out without venting gases.

QSPR video
 
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trader said:
A quick comment here. I don't watch TV. Few movies. All the comments here are on point; I would add that there are some modern armorers, (RUST, with her in jail, yet Baldwin goes free ) who should be best serving up fries at a fast food enterprise rather than handling firearms.
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i recall reading, that her dad was (maybe still is), and armorer which she learnt from..??

if so, yes, one can learn that way, no doubt....but i feel that she might have been lacking some things in her education, that maybe her dad forgot to teach, or just did not get around to it...?.

however (again in my own opinion), she is only 26 years old now.. (i believe 23/24 back then??) to me, not experienced enough to be on her own, with such a level of responsibility.

but who knows, maybe no actual formal armorer training diploma is actually needed, or the testing isn't hard enough.???
 
Gotta love the silenced revolvers in the movies/TV, as well as the auto pistols. All just go ffft. I’ve never seen a real firearm that quiet (some suppressed .22.s are close, but “Hollywood quiet? Nope, not seen it yet
 
FNFAN said:
I recollect an article from the 1980's that discussed a government agency having revolvers that were fit with a silencer. Supposedly the barrel/cylinder gap was next to nothing and they were only good for one cylinder of ammo before cleaning. There was also the Vietnam era QSPR cartridge in the Model 29 Smith that used a round of ammo that was sealed and pushed the bullet out without venting gases.

QSPR video
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Ok, how would it even fire after first or second round since the gap is non existent when the cylinder heats up and gun locks up
 
Annihilator said:
Ok, how would it even fire after first or second round since the gap is non existent when the cylinder heats up and gun locks up
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I would speculate that they set the cylinder gap to accommodate that, plus as the cylinder is turning it's coming up on an un-heated portion of the cylinder and they were using low pressure loads. As I mentioned, one of the things they mentioned was that it was only good for 5 shots before cleaning.

If you go here there's a dude doing the same with a modern revolver (skip to about 2:10 in the video). Also another guy who does a lot of suppressor work and has a mini-revolver set up here. I'd like to know if he's shooting shorts or cb caps in the video but he never did a full video on the gun.
 
Used a friends AUG, as well as one on his SBR-AR and you can still hear plenty. I think Hollywood sells the "silencer" idea whereas sound suppressor, or lessenor (did I just make up a word?) is more accurate of a description. Also we had the state sponsored sporting goods tryouts this spring here and the suppressors, well, suppressed sound.
 
Grayfox said:
The Model 1895 Russian Nagant revolver is somewhat unique in that the cylinder moves forward to seal against the forcing cone. This also makes it capable of being suppressed.
However, its also one of the worst firearms ever issued. Its awkward to hold, fires an under powered cartridge and has an absolutely horrible trigger pull. The DA pull is 20+ lbs and goes beyond the limits of my trigger gauge.
Some years back, my best friend gave me one as a Christmas present. At that time you could buy the gun, holster and accessories as a set for around $80. For an extra $20 you could get an extra cylinder chambered for .32acp, which I do have.
While its basically a POS, the Nagant revolver is an interesting piece of history.

https://imgur.com/eIviRuN
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I wonder if their original factory was in Turkey and sent to Russia ? 😆😜😉
 
Shibadog said:
Gotta love the silenced revolvers in the movies/TV, as well as the auto pistols. All just go ffft. I’ve never seen a real firearm that quiet (some suppressed .22.s are close, but “Hollywood quiet? Nope, not seen it yet
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@SimonRL .357/.38 Sp lever action with 16” barrel and suppressor is sooo stupid quiet a mouse fart is louder.

It literally goes “pfft” with a .38 special .
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Shibadog said:
Gotta love the silenced revolvers in the movies/TV, as well as the auto pistols. All just go ffft. I’ve never seen a real firearm that quiet (some suppressed .22.s are close, but “Hollywood quiet? Nope, not seen it yet
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hey..are you saying that Hollywood movies and tv shows are like the internet, and not true...???

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Old_Me said:
i recall reading, that her dad was (maybe still is), and armorer which she learnt from..??
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Hanna Gutierrez Reed's father is the famous Thell Reed. Legendary fast draw artist/instuctor and movie armorer since the 1960s. He was part of the old "leather slap" group that featured Jack Weaver and Jeff Cooper among others.
This was Hanna's first movie as head armorer. She complained many times about being used more as a gopher than an armorer. Often pulled away from her primary duties for minor tasks.
I'm sure she knew better. Personally, I think she was thrown under the bus to save Baldwin's ass. 🤬

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Grayfox said:
Hanna Gutierrez Reed's father is the famous Thell Reed. Legendary fast draw artist/instuctor and movie armorer since the 1950s. He was part of the old "leather slap" group that featured Jack Weaver and Jeff Cooper among others.
This was Hanna's first movie as head armorer. She complained many times about being used more as a gopher than an armorer. Often pulled away from her primary duties for minor tasks.
I'm sure she knew better. Personally, I think she was thrown under the bus to save Baldwin's ass. 🤬

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Gf you might be right about that. Two show trials now and she is still in the chill but Smart Alec isn't. Never look for justice in the legal system, paraphrasing G Carlin "...it's a big club and you ain't in it"
 
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