So, does more money equal better weapon?
- Thread starter Magnum50
- Start date
SimonRL
Hellcat
I don’t know if I would completely agree with you on the cheaper is not as good. I think maybe the argument should be are Springfield 1911s actually all that good? I know if you go on 1911 Addicts or the 1911 Forum the general consensus is that SA 1911s are not very good. What I can tell you is that my Tisas B9R which was less than $500 will better than your Springfield at 12 yds and shoot pretty close to what you did with the DW. I’m pretty confident my Prodigy will match your DW at 12 yds and while not 1911s I can certainly shoot that group with my Archon Type B and my HK VP9. I also think that swapping between two guns can often do this. It doesn’t take long for your autonomic system to get dialed in very quickly and then not want to respond so when introduced to a second trigger and feel.Range Day was testing out my new DW against my older Springfield. (First top of the line 1911 for me, have about 8 "regular", common ones.)
.45 testing. Same shooter, 12 yards away. This is the difference between a $2000 Dan Wesson and a $700 Springfield. BUT don’t worry, they both do the job very well. More money means better made, more smooth, more accurate. Bigger argument with wife.
I’ve noticed my shooting skills have diminished in the last 10 or so years. Eye sight has gotten blurry. My shot group was much tighter 10 years ago. But he’s still dead. Age 57 now.
Do you agree or disagree with my assumption?
Annihilator
Emissary
X
XD94045
Guest
Everything is situational. I have had the pleasure of shooting some high end weapons and while there were some notable differences, they were not significant enough for me to justify the cost difference.
I say this not as someone who collects guns. I purchase mine for shooting to get better and for home/self defense.
I say this not as someone who collects guns. I purchase mine for shooting to get better and for home/self defense.
Annihilator
Emissary
Ok, to put it bluntly without insulting anyone, if you suck shooting with a cheaper 1911, your going to suck shooting a more expensive 1911, just my thoughts
old but still kicking
Elite
Is that minion trying to talk outta his butt, but has it backwards ?!? My experience has been much like everyone else’s- a better made, tighter tolerance, designed whatever firearm has the capability to shoot tighter groups than a lesser made one but lots of factors will skew results one way or the other. Shooter skill, shooter comfort w/ each firearm, not to mention bullet weights, manufacturers, & so many other factors will influence outcomes. As soon as someone makes absolute type statements, someone else can find & correctly argue the outliers against it. Even 2 firearms from that same assembly line, sequential serial numbers even can shoot the same ammo differently !! Why ? Ask a mechanical engineer & you’ll get too much info but an answer to your question, nonetheless.
Summing it up .. generally, most of the time, but compare apples to apples otherwise you’re wasting print .. or time on a gun forum looking for concrete answers to questions that aren’t defined well enough for unassailable solutions
powerboatr
Professional
they are all haters over there
i have a 1967 colt 1911 that is a freaking dream. its smooth, precise and a wonderfully crafted 1911, i am its first owner.
my SA 1911s are also very good and precise
but i am a 1911 45 ACP guy
i love em all, with very few exceptions.
i also really like the dillion mini gun, it will make up for bad marksmanship really fast
old but still kicking
Elite
So .. spray n’ pray ? Like itthey are all haters over there
i have a 1967 colt 1911 that is a freaking dream. its smooth, precise and a wonderfully crafted 1911, i am its first owner.
my SA 1911s are also very good and precise
but i am a 1911 45 ACP guy
i love em all, with very few exceptions.
i also really like the dillion mini gun, it will make up for bad marksmanship really fast
KillerFord1977
SAINT
A great billiards player can run a table on a warped stick.Good discussion, didn't want to quote your long post Old Me, but thou you showed great examples and I agree any shooter can have a bad day or a good day BUT the target I posted was one mag at a time between the 2 weapons, the DW in the head while center mass was used for the Springfield. Both shot at the same range day, one is clearly tigher then the other telling me the DW was made better, smoother, more accurate. I mean I can't show it here but just shooting the DW over the Springfield was so different, smooth as butter while the Springfield was "stiffer".
So, I concede the discussion it is dependent on the shooter and his day but based on my example alone. A better built weapon is more accurate. Thanks for playing.
It may take a few shots to dial in the difference, but they will run the table.
Shooting firearms is no different. Learning to adapt to a trigger, etc ..
Annihilator
Emissary
Only way you actually going to tell if a more expensive 1911 is more accurate then a standard production 1911 is shoot them both out of a ransom rest or any rest period, if the person can't hold and shoot a standard 1911, there is probably no way he is going to shoot a more expensive one any better, 9 times out of 10, its not the gun....its the shooter.
You can’t polish a turd.
old but still kicking
Elite
Actually, you can- just takes a lot of effort - I thought u were in the service or retired LEO ?
And higher build quality/tighter tolerences “should” result in a more accurate firearm. Again though, shooter ability is the key factor. Mechanics will only take you so far. All else being equal a more accurate/ more shootable firearm “should” help you deliver tighter groups, but if Your ability is 3”, a 1 1/2” capable piece is only going to make it easier for You to shoot your 3” group
Old_Me
SAINT
true that....but it is still no guarantee one can get small groups, if one cannot shoot.
also no absolute guarantee, it is not a "lemon"...
even Rolls Royce or Bentley has a lemon, once in a "blue moon".
Old_Me
SAINT
take into consideration as well, the persons ability to stand still, hold the gun steady, aim, and shoot, if one (like me) has had several back operations, and needs to be propped up to steady himself for those shots...take another person with arthritis, again, all bets are off for small groups.And higher build quality/tighter tolerences “should” result in a more accurate firearm. Again though, shooter ability is the key factor. Mechanics will only take you so far. All else being equal a more accurate/ more shootable firearm “should” help you deliver tighter groups, but if Your ability is 3”, a 1 1/2” capable piece is only going to make it easier for You to shoot your 3” group
way too many things come into play for precise shooting small groups.
in a self defensive/home defensive situation.>??
all bets are off for small groups, as one is under extreme pressure, to not die himself.
Old_Me
SAINT
it's been my "observation" that those 1911 sites are "snobbish" towards low/mid priced 1911's.
and if you don't own an expensive wrist watch, or a diamond encrusted pocket knife, or drink the highest dollar bourbon, you're dirt poor, and shouldn't even be on those sites.....
just' saying, from what i have "observed"
Old_Me
SAINT
then..that person should buy several Hi Points, instead..????
asking for a friend.
and it surely did take YOU LONG ENOUGH to speak up......!!!!!!!
i had to take several extra naps...waiting for you to say this.....!!!!!
Last edited:
