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Springfield 911 380 feed failure

I don't know. I really don't know anyone who cleans and lubes a 1911 with CLP. Somehow I doubt all those people who had issues with them were using CLP to clean them.
 
Bassbob said:
I don't know. I really don't know anyone who cleans and lubes a 1911 with CLP. Somehow I doubt all those people who had issues with them were using CLP to clean them.
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All I use is Lucas Oil Extreme Duty CLP, no issues period on my metal guns or any polymer guns, the problem with the OP’s gun is the gun itself, to many reported issues with the 911, either in .380 or the 9mm version, that’s probably why Springfield dropped it, cost them to much in returns and repairs…..
 
Bassbob said:
I don't know. I really don't know anyone who cleans and lubes a 1911 with CLP. Somehow I doubt all those people who had issues with them were using CLP to clean them.
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Not necessarily CLP, but any oil based multipurpose cleaner/lubricant. There are many others (e.g., Ballistol). I haven’t done any polls but that’s what I was using on my 911 slide, and when I switched to Gun Scrubber, the feeding issues that I was experiencing - and that many other people reported with the 911 - went away in my case. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one, and it stands to reason that there were likely other people who were doing this, never figured it out, and just gave up on their 911s.

That doesn’t mean there weren’t lemons, too, but I can’t imagine that my own experience was totally unique. If it happened to me, there had to be others.
 
Robman said:
Not necessarily CLP, but any oil based multipurpose cleaner/lubricant. There are many others (e.g., Ballistol). I haven’t done any polls but that’s what I was using on my 911 slide, and when I switched to Gun Scrubber, the feeding issues that I was experiencing - and that many other people reported with the 911 - went away in my case. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one, and it stands to reason that there were likely other people who were doing this, never figured it out, and just gave up on their 911s.

That doesn’t mean there weren’t lemons, too, but I can’t imagine that my own experience was totally unique. If it happened to me, there had to be others.
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You mean "All in one" ? Really the issue was probably that you weren't lubricating it well enough. The only thing I use CLP ( and by CLP, I mean ANYTHING that claims to clean AND lube) on is ARs and even then I don't use it to lube the BCG. 1911s ( and presumably the 911) need lube. Use a cleaner or hell, even CLP to CLEAN it. Then get that crap off it and lube it properly. With oil.
 
Bassbob said:
You mean "All in one" ? Really the issue was probably that you weren't lubricating it well enough. The only thing I use CLP ( and by CLP, I mean ANYTHING that claims to clean AND lube) on is ARs and even then I don't use it to lube the BCG. 1911s ( and presumably the 911) need lube. Use a cleaner or hell, even CLP to CLEAN it. Then get that crap off it and lube it properly. With oil.
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Um, no. As I described earlier, the issue was that the CLP was gumming up the works and when I switched to Gun Scrubber for the slide, my feeding problem disappeared. As I also said earlier, I’ve probably got 2000 rounds through my 911 since then with virtually no malfunctions at all. So I would imagine that I am indeed “lubricating it well enough”.

But, what would I know? I’ve only been shooting since the age of seven (I’m 62 now), and I also served in the US Army infantry. That is not to say that I’m not open to learning anything new - I am still learning new things about shooting and firearms all the time - but my experience with my 911 was pretty convincing and conclusive as to this issue.
 
Robman said:
Um, no. As I described earlier, the issue was that the CLP was gumming up the works and when I switched to Gun Scrubber for the slide, my feeding problem disappeared. As I also said earlier, I’ve probably got 2000 rounds through my 911 since then with virtually no malfunctions at all. So I would imagine that I am indeed “lubricating it well enough”.

But, what would I know? I’ve only been shooting since the age of seven (I’m 62 now), and I also served in the US Army infantry. That is not to say that I’m not open to learning anything new - I am still learning new things about shooting and firearms all the time - but my experience with my 911 was pretty convincing and conclusive as to this issue.
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Gun scrubber is a degreaser, it’s not an actual cleaner, does not remove copper fouling, lead, it will remove build up crud and any lube, you still need to use a bore cleaner, some kind of oil to lube and protect the gun, only CLP I ever saw that would have a build up was Breakfree CLP, plus you definitely have to watch Gun Scrubber on polymer guns, even the so called polymer safe version, they will attack the polymer.
 
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Robman said:
Um, no. As I described earlier, the issue was that the CLP was gumming up the works and when I switched to Gun Scrubber for the slide, my feeding problem disappeared. As I also said earlier, I’ve probably got 2000 rounds through my 911 since then with virtually no malfunctions at all. So I would imagine that I am indeed “lubricating it well enough”.

But, what would I know? I’ve only been shooting since the age of seven (I’m 62 now), and I also served in the US Army infantry. That is not to say that I’m not open to learning anything new - I am still learning new things about shooting and firearms all the time - but my experience with my 911 was pretty convincing and conclusive as to this issue.
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Sure now. You also said you used CLP at first. So when you used CLP and were having malfunctions, were you lubing the gun with actual oil AFTER the CLP ? Are you saying that you now clean the slide with gun scrubber and then use no lube ?
 
Robman said:
I have the original version of the 911, got it the first year they came out back in 2018, six years ago right about now.

Mine had an initial break-in period of about 300 rounds. My biggest problem was failure to completely go into battery after not that many rounds. Sometimes it would “almost” go into battery, just enough so that the trigger was allowed to trip the hammer, but because it wasn’t fully in battery, I would then get a light primer strike.

I was at my local indoor range and described my issues to one of the guys who ran the range. He asked me what I was cleaning it with; I replied solvent for the bore and CLP for everything else. He said that was my mistake. He advised me to use Birchwood Casey “Gun Scrubber” on the slide instead of CLP, because he said that those oil-based cleaners gum up the works in a pistol like the 911 with its very tight mechanical tolerances.

So, I took his advice. The only place I now use CLP on the slide is on the grooves that interface with the rails on the frame, and a very light coat on the center rear part of the slide along which the top of the hammer drags while cycling. Otherwise I just clean up the slide with Gun Scrubber, using a plastic gun cleaning brush, Q-tips, and patches.

Using Gun Scrubber on the slide in place of CLP solved my problems. After that, I have put somewhere around 2000 rounds on that pistol, and I virtually never have a malfunction of any kind that is not due to bad ammo (e.g., a dud primer). I clean it every 100 rounds as it’s tight construction requires that, but as long as I maintain that maintenance protocol, it is extremely reliable. Just last week I put 100 rounds through it at the range, once again with no issues. Over the years I’ve fed it Winchester White Box FNFMJs, Browning FNFMJs, Federal FMJs, Norma FMJs, Winchester JHPs, Federal JHPs, and Precision One JHPs…all without any problems.

It’s a shame the 911 was discontinued, as I consider it among the very best .380 carry guns ever made. I’m glad I got mine new when it was available as such.

I think it was discontinued not because it was a bad product, but for two other reasons.

First, the all metal “shrunken 1911”-style .380 is hardly produced by anyone anymore. Colt discontinued the Pocketlite, and if I’m not mistaken, I think Sig discontinued the P238 as well. It’s a great concept but with the more modern micro nines and .380s out there, people just don’t seem to be interested in this type of pistol anymore. Perhaps it just seems archaic to a lot of people, such that it doesn’t make business sense to keep it in production just from the point of view of current market trends.

Second, there were a number of YouTube videos highlighting the reliability issues with the 911, and I’m sure that didn’t help with sales. Along with this, I think the core problem here, that likely explained what these YouTubers were experiencing, was that, like me at first, they didn’t know how to clean their 911s properly. It’s a terrific little pistol if you know how to take care of it, but if you don’t…

The one the OP has might be a lemon, and it might need some work. I would hope and expect that Springfield Armory customer support can make it right. I really like mine, and I say it’s worth a try.
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Remember a metal framed 1911 style is a lot more expensive to manufacture than a molded plastic frame with dropin parts, so a plastic fantastic is cheaper to mfgr and cheaper to buy-ergo more sales, more profits. That, plus the current push toward higher cap mags is what I think put the little single actions on the trailer.. That said, I’ve always been able to shoot a SIG 938 or Springfield EMP faster and more accurately than any compact striker gun I’ve ever tried.
 
Bassbob said:
Sure now. You also said you used CLP at first. So when you used CLP and were having malfunctions, were you lubing the gun with actual oil AFTER the CLP ? Are you saying that you now clean the slide with gun scrubber and then use no lube ?
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I use CLP as the lube. I use it on all of my firearms and it works great. (Well, not necessarily “all”. I have a Mauser 98K on which I use Ballistol. I might start using Ballistol more; I rather like it.)

So yes, I clean up the slide generally with Gun Scrubber, but use CLP to clean and lube the grooves for the rails on the frame.

My 911 runs great with this protocol, has for years. If it ain’t broke….
 
Annihilator said:
Gun scrubber is a degreaser, it’s not an actual cleaner, does not remove copper fouling, lead, it will remove build up crud and any lube, you still need to use a bore cleaner, some kind of oil to lube and protect the gun, only CLP I ever saw that would have a build up was Breakfree CLP, plus you definitely have to watch Gun Scrubber on polymer guns, even the so called polymer safe version, they will attack the polymer.
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Yes, I am aware of the limitations of Gun Scrubber. Of course for the bore I use solvent: Shooter’s Choice MC #7 to be exact. Stinks like hell but very, very effective. And you just completed describing my initial problem, in that yes, I was using Breakfree CLP.

I don’t own any polymer guns. Not my thing.
 
Robman said:
Yes, I am aware of the limitations of Gun Scrubber. Of course for the bore I use solvent: Shooter’s Choice MC #7 to be exact. Stinks like hell but very, very effective. And you just completed describing my initial problem, in that yes, I was using Breakfree CLP.

I don’t own any polymer guns. Not my thing.
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Yep, used that in the past till I came across this, works real good, just a FYI for you........plus it doesn't stink really, almost smells like grapes....
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CLP is ok at cleaning. Not good but ok. It’s also ok at lubing, not good but ok. It’s the jack of all trades master of none dilemma. Certain things like 1911s and bolt carrier groups need to actually be lubed. With oil. Just my opinion.
 
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