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The 21-Foot Rule Myth

Staying out of your opponent's kill zone is an important goal. Obviously if the opponent is armed with a firearm, the kill zone is much larger than if he is armed with an edged weapon or other weapon like a lead pipe.

In the early 80's Sgt Tueller was attempting to determine how much time and distance an officer needed to react to stop an attacker with an edged weapon. He first determined that an officer under stress could draw and fire in an average of 1.5 seconds. So if you can draw and fire in 1.5 seconds, how much distance can an assailant cover in that average time? Again, using averages it was determined that a person in good condition could cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. The concept caught on in police training circles and became known as the 21 Foot Rule. But it is not really 21 feet, or 1.5 seconds, and the fact that a person is within 21 feet of you with an edged weapon does not necessarily justify you shooting them.

We still run the Tueller Drill on the range in LE training. It can be a sobering experience. Every officer has a reaction time based upon experience and training, and it is good to know your abilities. It is also good to have incentive to improve. My reaction time now is under a second for two shots; when I was in my 20's and 30's, my time was as quick as .35 seconds. Some are faster, some are slower. Level III holsters add time. Likewise the suspect's speed of closing varies widely, depending on condition and ability. The assailant may travel as little as 5 feet or overrun your position before you can react. But the time and distance factors are not the determining factors for justification for using deadly force. Just because he is within 21 feet, or whatever your distance happens to be, does not necessarily mean you should shoot him. There must be a threat from the other person that creates a well founded fear that you or others are in peril of imminent death or great bodily harm. Absent an articulable fear you may have an unjustified shooting. The reasonable man standard controls.
 
We do the 21 feet rule in martial arts training quite a bit. We have a few Law Enforcement Officers in classes myself included. We have a student stand 21 feet away with a holstered "blue gun" and another student stand 21 feet away. The "Officer" is allowed to go for the weapon the second he sees the other student move. Let's just say it's rather enlightening to see the drill first hand. I've been both the "attacker" and Officer. Very good training.
 
Not sure why it ever got called a "rule," but it is a good reminder of the speed and proximity at which most violent attacks can happen, and that if all you do is go to a static range and shoot at static targets, you aren't really training for self defense.
 
In CL class, the instructor did this with a blue gun. I was the “Volunteer” to have the gun.
It got smacked out of my hand 2 of 3 times.
3rd time I stepped back for distance and he grabbed me in a mock tackle.
Eye opening.

I learned to now do a “hip fire” in training and get 3-4 quick in center mass at 5 yards. See woman circled in pic.

I also cut my time down to 1.5 sec on full draw arms out, but this needs to shave off .5 sec.
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If they are that close without a firearm and moving quickly my way, my first line of defense is a blackthorn walking stick. It's simply much faster to use.
Interesting you mentioned that, I have 1 considered a cane which is mainly a conversation piece that was cut and shaped from a walnut gun stock blank when I worked for Mossberg.
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I also have what I call my off the beaten path walking stick, it’s 5.5 feet long and made from Oak.
A great defensive stick.
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While some have some good suggestions on a lethal response just something to look at. So like the cane Pepper spray is a good option. I’ve been in far more incidents where I could legally pepper spray someone but not shoot them. And if I was wrong it’s a misdemeanor battery. Shoot someone you shouldn’t have and it’s a big cost to you and your family.

The Tuller drill was mainly for a uniformed LE in response to a KNOWN attacker. Which when one is on point as a LEO on a call etc is ready.

In the world of casual civilian interaction in malls, stores etc how many times is someone come around a clothes rack and be well within that 21’ and more like 3-9’? (If you say never your lying and nobody orders that much Amazon) While awareness is key your not condition Black 24/7

And not everyone within that distance is a 100% legal shoot scenario
 
Interesting you mentioned that, I have 1 considered a cane which is mainly a conversation piece that was cut and shaped from a walnut gun stock blank when I worked for Mossberg.
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I also have what I call my off the beaten path walking stick, it’s 5.5 feet long and made from Oak.
A great defensive stick.
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I started using a cane when I had hip replacement surgery. I just kept carrying it and an Irish Blackthorn have taken several classes in Irish Stick fighting and cane usage since then.
 
I started using a cane when I had hip replacement surgery. I just kept carrying it and an Irish Blackthorn have taken several classes in Irish Stick fighting and cane usage since then.
Although I do have a firearm near me at all times when at home and carry all the time both my wood support sticks are plenty capable doing some serious damage. The walking stick being so long would do a great job at keeping someone at a distance.
 
I've never heard it referred to as a myth. I also don't think I've ever heard anyone say that you're justified to shoot somebody that's within 21 ft of you with a knife
The title of this thread is...

THE 21-FOOT RULE MYTH​

BTW - If someone is coming at me with a knife in an aggressive manner within 21 ft. I will defend myself.
 
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I've never heard it referred to as a myth. I also don't think I've ever heard anyone say that you're justified to shoot somebody that's within 21 ft of you with a knife
My whole point of bringing it up is that some have advanced the idea that if the guy with an edged weapon is within 21 feet it is justification to shoot. It came up in a trial before. For example, it the guy is 35 feet from you and you shoot, did you overreact and shoot unnecessarily because he had not reached the 21 foot distance? Likewise, if he is within 20 feet and you shoot but there is no demonstrable threat, did you overreact? The answer is, it depends, and the 21 foot rule is just a teaching tool, not a rule per se. It ALWAYS comes down to the perceived threat, and the reasonable man standard, not an arbitrary number on a tape measure.
 
My whole point of bringing it up is that some have advanced the idea that if the guy with an edged weapon is within 21 feet it is justification to shoot. It came up in a trial before. For example, it the guy is 35 feet from you and you shoot, did you overreact and shoot unnecessarily because he had not reached the 21 foot distance? Likewise, if he is within 20 feet and you shoot but there is no demonstrable threat, did you overreact? The answer is, it depends, and the 21 foot rule is just a teaching tool, not a rule per se. It ALWAYS comes down to the perceived threat, and the reasonable man standard, not an arbitrary number on a tape measure.
They should have know better to bring a knife to a gunfight 😜
 
My whole point of bringing it up is that some have advanced the idea that if the guy with an edged weapon is within 21 feet it is justification to shoot. It came up in a trial before. For example, it the guy is 35 feet from you and you shoot, did you overreact and shoot unnecessarily because he had not reached the 21 foot distance? Likewise, if he is within 20 feet and you shoot but there is no demonstrable threat, did you overreact? The answer is, it depends, and the 21 foot rule is just a teaching tool, not a rule per se. It ALWAYS comes down to the perceived threat, and the reasonable man standard, not an arbitrary number on a tape measure.
I have attempted to make this very point a few times around here.
 
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