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The EDC Shot You’re NOT Prepared to Take

Thanks for the link, Mike. Interesting.

Welcome to the forum, DeadShot. Does that moniker mean you don’t have to worry about hitting 50 or 75 yard shots? :)

I don’t know about most of you, but in my area a lot of the criminal element are carrying rifles these days. That is actually kind of scary when most “good guys” are carrying compact or subcompact pistols. I usually only practice out to 25 yards, but maybe I need to back up further! I may try that tomorrow with a .22.
 
somorris said:
Thanks for the link, Mike. Interesting.

Welcome to the forum, DeadShot. Does that moniker mean you don’t have to worry about hitting 50 or 75 yard shots? :)

I don’t know about most of you, but in my area a lot of the criminal element are carrying rifles these days. That is actually kind of scary when most “good guys” are carrying compact or subcompact pistols. I usually only practice out to 25 yards, but maybe I need to back up further! I may try that tomorrow with a .22.
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Thank you, somorris. My moniker is probably more wishful thinking than it used to be. There was a time when I could reliably hit a stationary target at that distance with consistant accuracy (using a military issue 1911 or M16, without the benefit of optics of course, circa 1979-1980s). Not so much these days, but then again, like a lot of folks, I don't routinely practice that kind of marksmanship anymore. It doesn't seem to fit a realistic scenario of a civilian defender. As such, our mission is the opposite of L.E. in that our primary aim is to defend/end the threat of imminent death or great bodily harm (our own or someone elses), otherwise we break/avoid contact and seek safety. I'm not saying that it couldn't EVER happen, I'm just having a hard time imagining what that scenario would look like. Guess I might need to start thinking about dusting off some cobwebs and getting reacquainted (and getting some better glasses :ROFLMAO:).
 
DeadShot said:
Thank you, somorris. My moniker is probably more wishful thinking than it used to be. There was a time when I could reliably hit a stationary target at that distance with consistant accuracy (using a military issue 1911 or M16, without the benefit of optics of course, circa 1979-1980s). Not so much these days, but then again, like a lot of folks, I don't routinely practice that kind of marksmanship anymore. It doesn't seem to fit a realistic scenario of a civilian defender. As such, our mission is the opposite of L.E. in that our primary aim is to defend/end the threat of imminent death or great bodily harm (our own or someone elses), otherwise we break/avoid contact and seek safety. I'm not saying that it couldn't EVER happen, I'm just having a hard time imagining what that scenario would look like. Guess I might need to start thinking about dusting off some cobwebs and getting reacquainted (and getting some better glasses :ROFLMAO:).
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What you're saying makes a lot of sense.
 
Its all about maximum effect of the cartridge.
The bullet can do it. Can you?

Whether it is your pistol, shotgun, AR or deer rifle, the limiting factor is YOU !!
Not the gun. Not the cartridge.
You, your ability and your skill.

Firearms and a cartridge have a limit, but do you know and can master that limit
 
DeadShot said:
Thank you, somorris. My moniker is probably more wishful thinking than it used to be. There was a time when I could reliably hit a stationary target at that distance with consistant accuracy (using a military issue 1911 or M16, without the benefit of optics of course, circa 1979-1980s). Not so much these days, but then again, like a lot of folks, I don't routinely practice that kind of marksmanship anymore. It doesn't seem to fit a realistic scenario of a civilian defender. As such, our mission is the opposite of L.E. in that our primary aim is to defend/end the threat of imminent death or great bodily harm (our own or someone elses), otherwise we break/avoid contact and seek safety. I'm not saying that it couldn't EVER happen, I'm just having a hard time imagining what that scenario would look like. Guess I might need to start thinking about dusting off some cobwebs and getting reacquainted (and getting some better glasses :ROFLMAO:).
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The odds of "Needing" to make that shot with a pistol are slim. It's still good to be able to do it and I end every training session shooting 100 yards at steel silhouttes.
 
Bassbob said:
The odds of "Needing" to make that shot with a pistol are slim. It's still good to be able to do it and I end every training session shooting 100 yards at steel silhouttes.
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"It's not the 'odds', it's the 'STAKES'" comes to mind...

I am "security" for our Clinic and affiliated tennants ... the only guy here. We are on a "commercial strip" inhabited/traversed by numerous homeless folks who have already created problems, but also a medical clinic that could easily "attract" drug seekers thinking incorrectly that we could be a source of controlled pills. A 911 response is probably 15 minutes minimum.

Regarding distance: Our hallway between front & back doors is just under 100 feet. If we have a belligerent at the front door aggressively threatening our staff at the front desk area as I walk in the back, I'm looking at just such a 30-yard option with no way to unobtrusively approach.
Even the admin area where the employees would most likely be attacked is 10+yards long if I have to come from either door opposite side of the event.

Of course, these scenarios are considering "defending others" which means I may not be at "conversation distance" from the event. Very unlike having an assault directly on myself, but still a very legitimate "self-defense/defense-of-others" scenario.

As Tom Gresham (Gun Talk Radio) likes to point out:
"If you can't 'imagine that, you need a better imagination!"
 
Lo-Profile said:
With the proliferation of AR guns in the hands of active shooters. Needing to make a shot out to 100 yards is a real possibility. Not ideal, but becoming more of a reality. RDS can make it easier for the shooter to accomplish.
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As I read the responses in this thread, I'm reminded of an axiom I've heard from several military friends (mostly Army): your pistol's purpose is to allow you to fight your way to your rifle (or words to that effect).

I would hazard a guess that not many of us carry an AR or other rifle with us (in our vehicles, secured somewhere in our workplace, etc.). At the rate our society is deteriorating, perhaps I need to think about that.
 
When I'm not at work, I usually carry an AR pistol in my vehicle.
For the simple fact that as a pistol, I can carry it loaded, and in my state I can't do the same with a rifle.
It's truly a rare day that I'm off work, I'm not packing.
When I was a high school SRO, I was also an exception since I had a rifle in my office, just in case........
 
KillerFord1977 said:
Its all about maximum effect of the cartridge.
The bullet can do it. Can you?

Whether it is your pistol, shotgun, AR or deer rifle, the limiting factor is YOU !!
Not the gun. Not the cartridge.
You, your ability and your skill.

Firearms and a cartridge have a limit, but do you know and can master that limit
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Agreed, it comes down to training a good mindset and confidence in your abilities.
 
Mr. Untactical said:
As I read the responses in this thread, I'm reminded of an axiom I've heard from several military friends (mostly Army): your pistol's purpose is to allow you to fight your way to your rifle (or words to that effect).

I would hazard a guess that not many of us carry an AR or other rifle with us (in our vehicles, secured somewhere in our workplace, etc.). At the rate our society is deteriorating, perhaps I need to think about that.
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Mine is a 8" 300 blackout with a law folding adapter. Fits inside a sling bag with 4 magazines. Even the room for a few other things. I that it with me most places other than grocery stores. That locally seems to be the most popular places for car break-in activity
 
BACK in the day I had to qualify all the way to 50 yards, using strong and weak hand (barricade) and with wheel guns and thus I carried a 6" S&W in .357 Mag. But years passed and ended with a .45 USP, but the course was dropped to 25 yds. However, it included the "rock" from the hip from the holster at 1 yds and was a good addition. Faster reload as the mag drops were easier than reloading those Mini Balls and tearing the powder charges open with our teeth and fumbling with the caps my Pappy told me about...
 
Da FAC said:
Ex Air Force Security Policeman SP here and very long in the tooth. During the 80s a shooter at a base in Washington opened fire on shoppers at the Base Exchange one day. The on duty senior patrolman made a head shot at 75 yards with a Barretta M9 ending the hostile situation. Lucky shot? Probably but training and acquired skill kicked in to make the lucky shot possible.
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Well .... ( No disrespect to the fine SP ) the head shot part could well be good luck / coincidence, but 75 yd center of mass is quite do -able .

I can relate a violent escaped prisoner, in the midst of an armed carjacking in furtherance of his escape , being dropped with a first shot hit at measured 76 yards ( Sig P226 9mm) .

Ofc was aiming center mass , hit him upper thigh just below pelvis area . But he immediately dropped , and ceased carjacking .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
Well .... ( No disrespect to the fine SP ) the head shot part could well be good luck / coincidence, but 75 yd center of mass is quite do -able .

I can relate a violent escaped prisoner, in the midst of an armed carjacking in furtherance of his escape , being dropped with a first shot hit at measured 76 yards ( Sig P226 9mm) .

Ofc was aiming center mass , hit him upper thigh just below pelvis area . But he immediately dropped , and ceased carjacking .
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The "near pelvic girdle " hit, any hit in that general area usually does the trick
 
I work in a small city, or a medium sized town. Its South Dakota so its a town to anyone from a state with more than a million people in it.

But I digress. Everything here is spread out. Sure we have communities and neighborhoods, but they almost all border pasture or prairie land. Add to this, we are close to a big city (LOL) and you can understand we get a fair amount of crime. So the idea that one of our officers may not have the opportunity to transition to a long gun and have to engage with a pistol at extended ranges is a real enough possibility.

Do we train that way? No, not really. We should add that though, but its South Dakota. Sometimes when suggestions are made you can hear the faint sound of banjos playing.😬
 
UC_Guy 1971 said:
I work in a small city, or a medium sized town. Its South Dakota so its a town to anyone from a state with more than a million people in it.

But I digress. Everything here is spread out. Sure we have communities and neighborhoods, but they almost all border pasture or prairie land. Add to this, we are close to a big city (LOL) and you can understand we get a fair amount of crime. So the idea that one of our officers may not have the opportunity to transition to a long gun and have to engage with a pistol at extended ranges is a real enough possibility.

Do we train that way? No, not really. We should add that though, but its South Dakota. Sometimes when suggestions are made you can hear the faint sound of banjos playing.😬
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South Dakota is my favorite place to be. I would be a resident there, but my wife has some silly aversion to -20 temps in the winter. Plenty of employment opportunities for a guy like me who is in the oil and gas business. And The Black Hills. What's not to love ?

I would think it might be wise to equip officers with SBRs.
 
Bassbob said:
South Dakota is my favorite place to be. I would be a resident there, but my wife has some silly aversion to -20 temps in the winter. Plenty of employment opportunities for a guy like me who is in the oil and gas business. And The Black Hills. What's not to love ?

I would think it might be wise to equip officers with SBRs.
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We have AR's and you can bring your own as well. I am hoping that I can bring my own AR pistol at some point. AR pistol with a can ;)
 
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