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The Fighting Shotgun: A Tool for Professionals, Not Amateurs

Talyn

Talyn

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In his book, The Shotgun Militia, Nicholas Orr offers the argument that the shotgun is the most prevalent centerfire firearm in the United States. He points out that both Remington and Mossberg have each sold over 11 million units of their flagship models, the 870 and 500/590. That doesn’t even include all of the other brands and models.

The absolute best way to dispel all of the myths and misunderstanding regarding a fighting shotgun is to actually participate in training that’s dedicated to using the tool in a martial fashion.


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In my first police academy I was taught the shotgun was my primary weapon. I adhered to that until I got my MP5. (I miss my MP5). The shotgun is a devastating weapon, I have seen its effectiveness firsthand. There is a reason the Germans wanted it banned per the Hague Convention during WWI. If I ever experience a home invasion, I am reaching for my 870. Ammo management and reloads takes practice.
 

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HayesGreener said:
In my first police academy I was taught the shotgun was my primary weapon. I adhered to that until I got my MP5. (I miss my MP5). The shotgun is a devastating weapon, I have seen its effectiveness firsthand. There is a reason the Germans wanted it banned per the Hague Convention during WWI. If I ever experience a home invasion, I am reaching for my 870. Ammo management and reloads takes practice.
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I’ve felt this way my whole life. In the face of all kinds of, what should we call it, anti shotgun bias. You know “ conventional wisdom” with regards to what is better or more appropriate or popular. As well as all the dumbass myths about shotguns. I can recall my old man saying 00B would blow a door off the hinges. I admit that being already intimately familiar with shotguns since about the age of 8, that little nugget of “ Wisdom” from my dad might have influenced me to lean into shotguns as a primary and ultimate defensive weapon. Of course I figured out the old man was wrong pretty quick, but my opinion of a shotgun as my primary weapon never changed.
 
"I’m not aware of a single instance in which an officer used a shotgun to stop a felon and then said, “We really need to switch to birdshot.”
(y) :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
"No, “racking” the shotgun will not send home invaders fleeing into the night."
If they are close enough to hear you racking the slide; They are TOO CLOSE!;)

Great article 100% spot on.
Don't care for the title though. Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning but I'm getting leery of "experts' weapon" or "professionals' weapon". Not because of what the anti A@ people will do (let's face it they will use the grass is green if they can) but because it steers people away from what works and has worked for years. Shotguns and snub nose revolvers I.E.
 
As a LEO and Firearms Instructor for 33 years now I have always said with proper training the shotgun is your BEST Friend in a gunfight. Other than my handgun which is on my hip at work when I get out of the patrol car in a situation especially high risk traffic stops (Lord knows I have done enough of them) the shotgun is my weapon of choice....
 
wolfpack076 said:
As a LEO and Firearms Instructor for 33 years now I have always said with proper training the shotgun is your BEST Friend in a gunfight. Other than my handgun which is on my hip at work when I get out of the patrol car in a situation especially high risk traffic stops (Lord knows I have done enough of them) the shotgun is my weapon of choice....
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Amen brother. The shotgun is a fightstopper
 
somorris said:
Probably wouldn’t work in Africa, but here I suspect a 12 gauge will stop about anything you are likely to encounter. Shotguns don’t hold a lot of rounds, but if each ‘stop’ only takes one round it probably holds enough!
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TS-12 holds 16 and I can empty it in less than 8 seconds and fully reload it in less than 30. It is not light, but it's not overly heavy and is short and well balanced. It is fast, but not as fast as the 1301.

KSG25 holds 25 and is pump action. This one I wouldn't consider a fighting shotgun due to it's ( loaded) weight, but if there is a little distance it would work very well at maintaining that distance. If I knew for sure I was facing 5 or more threats it would be the one I would try to have in my hands.

That said, the 1301 is the one man. Holds 8, is very light and very fast. Also easy to reload.

Mossberg 500 is a very effective option as well. Holds 8, also easy to reload.
 
Bassbob said:
TS-12 holds 16 and I can empty it in less than 8 seconds and fully reload it in less than 30. It is not light, but it's not overly heavy and is short and well balanced. It is fast, but not as fast as the 1301.

KSG25 holds 25 and is pump action. This one I wouldn't consider a fighting shotgun due to it's ( loaded) weight, but if there is a little distance it would work very well at maintaining that distance. If I knew for sure I was facing 5 or more threats it would be the one I would try to have in my hands.

That said, the 1301 is the one man. Holds 8, is very light and very fast. Also easy to reload.

Mossberg 500 is a very effective option as well. Holds 8, also easy to reload.
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Love my 1301. Very nice, light, fast, and powerful. Mines loaded with the Winchester rounds that duplicate the old “buck and ball” loads of the past. Having observed how it knocks the rap out of a steel target and a wild hog I’ve confident it will resolve any issues that might arise.
 
Shibadog said:
Love my 1301. Very nice, light, fast, and powerful. Mines loaded with the Winchester rounds that duplicate the old “buck and ball” loads of the past. Having observed how it knocks the rap out of a steel target and a wild hog I’ve confident it will resolve any issues that might arise.
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Yep. I love mine. I'm considering changing a few things on it but every time I think about it I hesitate because it's so damn sweet right now. One thing I am almost certainly going to do is remove the Holosun 510c and get a RDMS mount from GG&G and put a smaller, lighter optic on it that co-witnesses with the ghost rings. I might swap out the handguard too but really I haven't seen any aftermarket ones that I like better than the stock version.

Mine is loaded up with the 8 pellet Federal Flite Control 00B, the shot card has 5 extras and 2 Truball slugs in it.

I don't know which model you have. Does it hold 6 or 7 in the tube ?
 
Bassbob said:
Yep. I love mine. I'm considering changing a few things on it but every time I think about it I hesitate because it's so damn sweet right now. One thing I am almost certainly going to do is remove the Holosun 510c and get a RDMS mount from GG&G and put a smaller, lighter optic on it that co-witnesses with the ghost rings. I might swap out the handguard too but really I haven't seen any aftermarket ones that I like better than the stock version.

Mine is loaded up with the 8 pellet Federal Flite Control 00B, the shot card has 5 extras and 2 Truball slugs in it.

I don't know which model you have. Does it hold 6 or 7 in the tube ?
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Shibadog said:
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If the 7th round goes a good part of the way into the tube ( which I'm sure it does), take the barrel clamp off and screw the magazine tube cover off. On the end of the magazine tube you will see a little plastic retainer cap which holds the spring captive in the magazine tube. Remove it and keep it in a drawer somewhere. There is a tab on the retainer that pops out into a slot on the side of the tube. Use a screwdriver or punch or small tool to gently push the tab in and the retainer will lift out. The magazine spring does not need to be held captive in the tube, let it come out into the magazine cover and screw the cover back on. This will give you enough room to load a 7th shell. There's no need to change the spring to a stiffer one, the stock spring is fine. I've put a couple thousand through mine without the magazine spring retainer in and it functions flawlessly.

You can also ghost load ( load one on to the lifter) so you can actually have 9 rounds in the gun ready to go.
 
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