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The Price of Diesel

HayesGreener

HayesGreener

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I read a post where someone questioned why we blame the current admin for inflation, the cost of fuel, the cost of food, and everything else? When discussing these issues with others, consider this.

I come from a farming community and since retiring for a number of years we operated a hay farm. Farming is all about the cost of input vs profit. The cost of diesel and fertilizer drove us out of that business and made us ultra sensitive to the cost of petroleum products.

When you attack our energy industry it is a self defeating process. Just look at the cost of diesel under current policies. Diesel has doubled or tripled in price in the past 4 years. Now when you go to the grocery store and wonder how that food got there, think "diesel". The trucks that bring seed and fertilizer for farmers in the spring run in what? The farm machinery that tills, plants, cultivates, harvests the crops run on what? The trucks that haul the grain, the trains that haul it to the processors, the trucks that haul food to your grovery store run on what? And the electricity that runs the refrigeration units and bright lights in the grocery store is most likely produced by petroleum. Order something on Amazon that comes from China on a ship powered by what? What about the machines that unload the containers? It costs more in energy to manufacture a windmill than that windmill can produce. How is the power the plant uses to produce the windmill generated? Or the power used to recharge your EV? You got it, a major portion of our energy comes from petroleum, or coal. So when you are looking for answers to inflation, look hard at the attacks on the energy sector. Added to Congress spending like drunken sailors it is pretty easy to see where much of the trouble lies.
 
i totally understand you! red is about 20 cents/gal less than otr fuel. liquid fertilizer is made by using ng. ng goes up and liquid fertilizer goes up also. for 32% it was costing over 80 cents per # of nitrogen ($512/ton). back in '83-'84 when diesel p/u's were beginning to be a thing because diesel was cheap! i knew what would happen when this started what would happen to farm fuel (red).....yup, got to $4/gal for red. you pretty much need to be a commercial grower to stand a chance on making a profit! diesel takes less to make than gasoline and yet cost more no thanks to the auto industry and the govt'! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: wheat is almost a losing crop, unless you make over 60 bushels/acre. also my dad had to buy for some reason a diesel p/u in '84 and it sucked driving it when attached to a trailer! with a steel 6 horse trailer on flat ground no headwind it would take nearly 1 mile just to get to 55mph. he took it to the caterpillar place to get it dyno'd...........results were 70hp @ rear wheels. i told my dad we should hook up to my motorcycle as it has 85hp. banks started making turbos systems for those p/u's and that made a big change.
 
While not in the farming industry, I get your point. However, I believe that the cost of diesel fuel is, just like gasoline, an effect of the push for everything electric . Of course, not remembering that only a fraction of electricity comes from solar or wind.

Look…I received a degree in Geology about 60 years ago and learned more down to earth concepts, not woke crap. What we see is weather, some of it long term! If you drive through Northern California, well above the Barbary Coast, you see wave ct benches far above the roadway. We have been here before, in the last interglacial. The coastal cities will eventually become inundated. No-ones fault, we just live in the present. But…better a rise n sea level than the opposite, another glacial period. All the frozen Canucks will be streaming south before the glaciers. Sh-t happens.
 
I just read where Biden is now starting to refill the oil reserves... at $77 a barrel. Back when Trump was president, he tried to get an amendment put into one of the fiscal bills to add more oil to the reserves at $30 a barrel but the left voted to remove it from the bill. These dumb-a**'s can't be trusted to manage a piggy bank let alone the budget.
 
HayesGreener said:
I read a post where someone questioned why we blame the current admin for inflation, the cost of fuel, the cost of food, and everything else? When discussing these issues with others, consider this.

I come from a farming community and since retiring for a number of years we operated a hay farm. Farming is all about the cost of input vs profit. The cost of diesel and fertilizer drove us out of that business and made us ultra sensitive to the cost of petroleum products.

When you attack our energy industry it is a self defeating process. Just look at the cost of diesel under current policies. Diesel has doubled or tripled in price in the past 4 years. Now when you go to the grocery store and wonder how that food got there, think "diesel". The trucks that bring seed and fertilizer for farmers in the spring run in what? The farm machinery that tills, plants, cultivates, harvests the crops run on what? The trucks that haul the grain, the trains that haul it to the processors, the trucks that haul food to your grovery store run on what? And the electricity that runs the refrigeration units and bright lights in the grocery store is most likely produced by petroleum. Order something on Amazon that comes from China on a ship powered by what? What about the machines that unload the containers? It costs more in energy to manufacture a windmill than that windmill can produce. How is the power the plant uses to produce the windmill generated? Or the power used to recharge your EV? You got it, a major portion of our energy comes from petroleum, or coal. So when you are looking for answers to inflation, look hard at the attacks on the energy sector. Added to Congress spending like drunken sailors it is pretty easy to see where much of the trouble lies.
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as a former trucker we would be told to "shop for the better price on diesel"

"shut off the engines when you are at the truck stops, customers, rest areas"

"read your maps (pre GPS days) and find a shorter route, or at least a route with less mountains"

in trucking, it is not driver pay, benefits, cost of buying the trucks, insurance, taxes, or repairs that are the number 1 major cost....

diesel fuel is number 1 expense....that can bury a trucking company real quick.
 
3L120 said:
While not in the farming industry, I get your point. However, I believe that the cost of diesel fuel is, just like gasoline, an effect of the push for everything electric . Of course, not remembering that only a fraction of electricity comes from solar or wind.

Look…I received a degree in Geology about 60 years ago and learned more down to earth concepts, not woke crap. What we see is weather, some of it long term! If you drive through Northern California, well above the Barbary Coast, you see wave ct benches far above the roadway. We have been here before, in the last interglacial. The coastal cities will eventually become inundated. No-ones fault, we just live in the present. But…better a rise n sea level than the opposite, another glacial period. All the frozen Canucks will be streaming south before the glaciers. Sh-t happens.
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Most of those turbine cost 1 million each, but for awhile you got a 20% discount thanks to the government. You'll need that 200k for upkeep
 
I always loved it when some moron’d say “I don’t care what diesel costs, I don’t use diesel”. Really? Every single thing you buy or have bought was moved by diesel, every bite grown on farms using diesel tractors and equipment, most of your electricity from coal moved by diesel trucks and locomotives-yea, price of diesel doesn’t affect you🙄
 
Shibadog said:
I always loved it when some moron’d say “I don’t care what diesel costs, I don’t use diesel”. Really? Every single thing you buy or have bought was moved by diesel, every bite grown on farms using diesel tractors and equipment, most of your electricity from coal moved by diesel trucks and locomotives-yea, price of diesel doesn’t affect you🙄
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there are even gasoline delivery vehicles as well.....Amazon, FedEx Ground, UPS...........gasoline prices go up, so does paying for delivery charges when one buys online.

let's not forget home heating oil, and kerosene....

price of one goes up, so do the others.

oh yeah...got propane tanks at the house for cooking, heating.??

delivered by either a gasoline or diesel truck

so those morons are affected more than they ever know....
 
How the administration thinks cargo is shipped ..
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Bassbob said:
Yep, I’m not supposed to be idling my truck.
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this is where the APU's come in as a valuable asset....

they use (roughly) 1 gallon (or less) for a 10 hour truckers break time, over say 1 gallon per hour idling for each hour...

to save (up to) 9 gallons of diesel per 10 hour break could be a savings of (up to) $38.25 if diesel is selling at $4.25 per gallon....

multiply $38.25 times..........300 trucks..........that's (roughly) $11,475.00 for a fleet in just 1-- 10 hour break period for 1 day.....

times 365 days..???

that's just over $4 million dollars per year........wasted, if they do not have APU's......

i think i did the math correctly.
 
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