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This Is Why Your CCW Won’t Save You

So I finally read the article and found it to be informative, that being said it’s the last couple sentences in the last paragraph that gives me pause.

First although I consider myself an overall healthy 65 year old I’m not kidding myself by thinking I don’t have some declining physical abilities including a 30% loss of range of motion in my left shoulder/arm after my shoulder was replaced due to arthritis damage.

I digress……..

I’ve already been involved in a situation where I had to clear leather and by the grace of god no shots were fired as the criminals decided I wasn’t the easy target they initially thought I was and decided to drive away.
This happened in a supermarket parking lot on a beautiful sunny morning and I mention that to stress that it can happen anywhere and not just a dark alley.

I consider myself a good person with morals and beliefs that life is sacred however I will be blunt…….

If I ever find myself in a situation where mine or the life of those I love are in danger of serious life threatening harm the last thing I’ll be thinking about is the local or federal laws that govern my actions and will defend myself accordingly as we all know that criminals don’t care about laws.
 
Bassbob said:
I make a point not to talk about any of these kinds of situations I have been in. And there are too many of them to count and remember.
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Haven't thought it about it in years until I read the article. I've been around the world since then and never armed, so my only defense was awareness and being wise enough not to go places I shouldn't. Now that I'm an everyday carrier, It's even more important to be aware and stay out of potential trouble spots. What gun control advocates don't think about (or maybe don't know) is that I don't want to shoot anyone. The best gunfight is the one that doesn't happen, but the difference between them and me (us) is that I/we don't want to be the unarmed participant in a gunfight. I'm sure there are cowboys out there who carry and think they're all that, but that's not me. I'm perfectly happy to live my life, go to work, church, the store, etc. carrying concealed all the while. If they're shoveling dirt on my ashes and I've never had to draw my edc in defense of myself or anyone else, I'll call that a victory.
 
Fighting is hard on people and clothes and should be avoided if at all poszible. In defensive tactics instructor courses I had my ass tossed all over the gym floor by an instructor half my size. I learned that I need to dominate the aggressor in the first 10 seconds of the fight or it would become a test of endurance. Most officers settle on a couple techniques that work for them and stick with them. At my age I don't have the endurance I had in my 20's and 30's so if attacked I am going to have to go all savage caveman from the start. Best practice is avoid bad people in bad places and maintain your bubble and stay heeled.
 
Mike H. said:
Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “This Is Why Your CCW Won’t Save You” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/this-is-why-your-ccw-wont-save-you/.

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Lots of good and interesting responses to this article.

I think the concept of "tools"(verbal judo, empty hand self-defense, knives, firearms, etc.) is a good one.

It's been my experience that some concealed carry people over-estimate their abilities to deploy their firearm if needed, and under-estimate an aggressive person's ability to whoop their butt.

I've gotten myself involved in stupid situations because of my ego(not walking away when I should have, etc, etc), or running around with the wrong people, etc. Thankfully I didn't repeat the same mistakes...:)

When you're involved in the security business as a security officer or Law Enforcement officer you have to get involved in disputes that can turn violent. But as a civilian the more non-lethal tools you have, the better chances you'll keep your freedom.

I'm an advocate of verbal judo and basic empty hand self-defense because for me, those 2 tools worked/work most of the time. (It's nice to have a legally concealed handgun as a backup to both, but only as a backup, NOT as my primary "tool" .)

Once things get physical, you sometimes quickly realize how fast you run out of physical strength and how 2 minutes feels like a half hour, etc. I believe you do your best to keep things from getting physical because hurting someone, or getting hurt, hurts(physically and sometimes financially).

I can teach pretty anyone some basic self-defense for grabs, chokes, punches. It's good knowledge to have if you're willing to put in consistent practice.

I'm retired and train some aspect of empty hand self-defense daily. (Minimally I practice footwork and hand/foot coordination drills to escape or to create distance that many times allows me to use more verbal judo to de-escalate).

Knowledge, ego control, basic physical fitness, etc, are worth a daily investment as tools. "Once a bullet leaves the barrel you can't put it back. Better a live chicken, than a dead rooster."...:)

Be safe out there.
 
HayesGreener said:
Fighting is hard on people and clothes and should be avoided if at all poszible. In defensive tactics instructor courses I had my ass tossed all over the gym floor by an instructor half my size. I learned that I need to dominate the aggressor in the first 10 seconds of the fight or it would become a test of endurance. Most officers settle on a couple techniques that work for them and stick with them. At my age I don't have the endurance I had in my 20's and 30's so if attacked I am going to have to go all savage caveman from the start. Best practice is avoid bad people in bad places and maintain your bubble and stay heeled.
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Indeed. The biggest difference between me now and me 20 years ago is I’m gonna have to be very brutal straight off the bat. I’m not sure I could last more than a couple minutes of melee.

The other difference is I do whatever I can to avoid trouble these days. 20 years ago I had no such restraint.
 
HayesGreener said:
Fighting is hard on people and clothes and should be avoided if at all poszible. In defensive tactics instructor courses I had my ass tossed all over the gym floor by an instructor half my size. I learned that I need to dominate the aggressor in the first 10 seconds of the fight or it would become a test of endurance. Most officers settle on a couple techniques that work for them and stick with them. At my age I don't have the endurance I had in my 20's and 30's so if attacked I am going to have to go all savage caveman from the start. Best practice is avoid bad people in bad places and maintain your bubble and stay heeled.
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I've read every Jack Reacher book, and one consistent theme throughout them all is when it comes down to it, take the opponent out fast and hard (the books' character always punches first....I'm not advocating that for this discussion, but if you are a Lee Childs fan, you know what I mean). Maybe I'll go back and read the posted article;).
 
Mike H. said:
Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “This Is Why Your CCW Won’t Save You” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/this-is-why-your-ccw-wont-save-you/.

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I agree with the majority of this article. I served in the air force as a fighter pilot and in a sheriff's department and as a SWAT commander of a DEA sponsored narcotics entry team. As a patrolman I was an FTO and enjoyed it tremendously, I had spent years teaching flying in the military, general aviation, and the airlines, which is what guided me to apply for FTO .
There are several things rookies and civilians need to grasp beyond tactical and marksmanship training if they're going to be effective.
I am a 6th generation Texan, from extreme west Texas. In my life, boys and men fought. Today a raised voice is a fear inducing trigger mechanism, which is ludicrous. But even so, as I taught my rookies and my kids, you may have been in a hundred bar brawls, but until you've fought someone who honestly wanted to kill you... You haven't really been in a fight. Same goes for gun engagements. Maybe you've drawn on and disarmed a dozen gun toters, but until you've experienced one who doesn't care about being shot, all he cares about is ventilating your skull, you haven't really experienced a gun fight.
I was forced to take 2 lives in the line of duty, three men who had murdered a young couple, their 4 year old son and 2 year old daughter to get their damned truck. We ended up in a cemetery at night after a prolonged car chase. My partner shot one and I shot two. We were both SWAT and instinctively put two to center mass and one to the head, all were DRT.
I never lost a second of sleep over them. I'm not religious but I hope I'm wrong and those three are slow roasting in hell.
They had nothing to lose, they wanted to make it to Mexico. They wanted us dead. Just not as badly as we wanted them dead.
The 4 year old boy, after seeing his parents killed, grabbed his little sister and hugged her tight, putting his back to the shitheads. He was trying to comfort and save his little sister. They put five rounds through his little back, killing them both. There was no way we were losing that fight. I would kill those bastards again every day if I could.

The will to win matters. A lot.
I have two black belts and a brown belt, black in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, black second dan in Krav Maga, and a brown in Shaolin Kung Fu.
If you want to prepare for attackers and not competition, Kung Fu is probably the best art, in my opinion. However Krav is not far behind and can be mastered MUCH faster. So if you're willing to dedicate your life to an art, go with Kung Fu. If you need to prepare quickly to survive and dominate in a street fight, I'd suggest Krav Maga.
But martial arts training will not guarantee you a win... Not without also having a strong will to win.
 
Preacher said:
I agree with the majority of this article. I served in the air force as a fighter pilot and in a sheriff's department and as a SWAT commander of a DEA sponsored narcotics entry team. As a patrolman I was an FTO and enjoyed it tremendously, I had spent years teaching flying in the military, general aviation, and the airlines, which is what guided me to apply for FTO .
There are several things rookies and civilians need to grasp beyond tactical and marksmanship training if they're going to be effective.
I am a 6th generation Texan, from extreme west Texas. In my life, boys and men fought. Today a raised voice is a fear inducing trigger mechanism, which is ludicrous. But even so, as I taught my rookies and my kids, you may have been in a hundred bar brawls, but until you've fought someone who honestly wanted to kill you... You haven't really been in a fight. Same goes for gun engagements. Maybe you've drawn on and disarmed a dozen gun toters, but until you've experienced one who doesn't care about being shot, all he cares about is ventilating your skull, you haven't really experienced a gun fight.
I was forced to take 2 lives in the line of duty, three men who had murdered a young couple, their 4 year old son and 2 year old daughter to get their damned truck. We ended up in a cemetery at night after a prolonged car chase. My partner shot one and I shot two. We were both SWAT and instinctively put two to center mass and one to the head, all were DRT.
I never lost a second of sleep over them. I'm not religious but I hope I'm wrong and those three are slow roasting in hell.
They had nothing to lose, they wanted to make it to Mexico. They wanted us dead. Just not as badly as we wanted them dead.
The 4 year old boy, after seeing his parents killed, grabbed his little sister and hugged her tight, putting his back to the shitheads. He was trying to comfort and save his little sister. They put five rounds through his little back, killing them both. There was no way we were losing that fight. I would kill those bastards again every day if I could.

The will to win matters. A lot.
I have two black belts and a brown belt, black in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, black second dan in Krav Maga, and a brown in Shaolin Kung Fu.
If you want to prepare for attackers and not competition, Kung Fu is probably the best art, in my opinion. However Krav is not far behind and can be mastered MUCH faster. So if you're willing to dedicate your life to an art, go with Kung Fu. If you need to prepare quickly to survive and dominate in a street fight, I'd suggest Krav Maga.
But martial arts training will not guarantee you a win... Not without also having a strong will to win.
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Thank you for your service. Whether those bastards are rotting in hell or not, they are no longer free to impose their evil on this world.

I haven't taken any Krav Maga, but regarding the last point in your post I think whether you study Kung Fu or Jujitsu, some of the tenets of Bushido and understanding The Art of War and The Book of Five Rings is helpful in that regard. In fact both of those books are requirements for life regardless.

We are not children on a school yard playground. Any fight is a fight to preserve life. That is the intention, at all cost. The ability to apply as much as is necessary with a "Normal mind", with deference to Yin-Yang, Equal but opposite or whatever you choose to view it as is required now. This isn't 17th century Japan.
 
I dont want to, but...
 

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Keystone19250 said:
If I ever find myself in a situation where mine or the life of those I love are in danger of serious life threatening harm the last thing I’ll be thinking about is the local or federal laws that govern my actions and will defend myself accordingly as we all know that criminals don’t care about laws.
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I really thought that, until it happened to me. And it might be because I had continual use of force continuum refresher training and deadly force law for refresher training and they beat it into my head.

I said it my first post but I literally remember thinking to myself if these guys push it and I have to draw on them and shoot them I'm going to be in trouble. What if the cops don't think I was justified? What if my employer doesn't think I was justified? And the truth is that justified or not, my employer would have fired me over it.
 
The Night Rider said:
I really thought that, until it happened to me. And it might be because I had continual use of force continuum refresher training and deadly force law for refresher training and they beat it into my head.

I said it my first post but I literally remember thinking to myself if these guys push it and I have to draw on them and shoot them I'm going to be in trouble. What if the cops don't think I was justified? What if my employer doesn't think I was justified? And the truth is that justified or not, my employer would have fired me over it.
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Better to be fired than dead if it comes down to life or death
 
Preacher said:
I agree with the majority of this article. I served in the air force as a fighter pilot and in a sheriff's department and as a SWAT commander of a DEA sponsored narcotics entry team. As a patrolman I was an FTO and enjoyed it tremendously, I had spent years teaching flying in the military, general aviation, and the airlines, which is what guided me to apply for FTO .
There are several things rookies and civilians need to grasp beyond tactical and marksmanship training if they're going to be effective.
I am a 6th generation Texan, from extreme west Texas. In my life, boys and men fought. Today a raised voice is a fear inducing trigger mechanism, which is ludicrous. But even so, as I taught my rookies and my kids, you may have been in a hundred bar brawls, but until you've fought someone who honestly wanted to kill you... You haven't really been in a fight. Same goes for gun engagements. Maybe you've drawn on and disarmed a dozen gun toters, but until you've experienced one who doesn't care about being shot, all he cares about is ventilating your skull, you haven't really experienced a gun fight.
I was forced to take 2 lives in the line of duty, three men who had murdered a young couple, their 4 year old son and 2 year old daughter to get their damned truck. We ended up in a cemetery at night after a prolonged car chase. My partner shot one and I shot two. We were both SWAT and instinctively put two to center mass and one to the head, all were DRT.
I never lost a second of sleep over them. I'm not religious but I hope I'm wrong and those three are slow roasting in hell.
They had nothing to lose, they wanted to make it to Mexico. They wanted us dead. Just not as badly as we wanted them dead.
The 4 year old boy, after seeing his parents killed, grabbed his little sister and hugged her tight, putting his back to the shitheads. He was trying to comfort and save his little sister. They put five rounds through his little back, killing them both. There was no way we were losing that fight. I would kill those bastards again every day if I could.

The will to win matters. A lot.
I have two black belts and a brown belt, black in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, black second dan in Krav Maga, and a brown in Shaolin Kung Fu.
If you want to prepare for attackers and not competition, Kung Fu is probably the best art, in my opinion. However Krav is not far behind and can be mastered MUCH faster. So if you're willing to dedicate your life to an art, go with Kung Fu. If you need to prepare quickly to survive and dominate in a street fight, I'd suggest Krav Maga.
But martial arts training will not guarantee you a win... Not without also having a strong will to win.
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I'm a 4th degree black belt in Ed Parker Kenpo Karate(got it in 2005 and never tested for any more rank, though I could have). Some of my Kenpo Hispanic students got into BJJ and got their black belts from the Machado brothers in the Dallas area. When I started reading Kenpo Ed Parker's writings about self-defense and martial arts I got hooked. I have a lot of respect for BJJ. I've been put in a Kimora several times and different kinds of choke holds...:) I've been training in Escrima since the mid 1980's, I love that martial art. I also learned some Kuntao-Silat from Bob Orlando and a few others...works well with my Kenpo...:)

I grew up a white boy(I'm adopted.) in a Mexican neighborhood. Fighting was never a problem for me because I grew up around a lot of macho people. My dad's mechanic shop was surrounded by Cantinas and knifings were common on some weekends.

Some of the "knifers" near the Mexican border are very dangerous people but they usually won't mess with you unless you mess with them. They can cut you up and disappear back into Mexico. Lots of places to cross the border if you know the area.

I got into martial arts training to learn an Art, not to learn how to fight. If you're not afraid to get hit and you're willing to put in the hard work, you can develop some decent skills but the key is to never get too confident. I remember the first time I got taken down with a double leg take down. Thank goodness it happened in a martial arts school and not on the street. After that take down I worked "sprawl drills" until my hips hurt...:) I got humbled a lot by BJJ people and I enjoyed it. I learned what NOT to do against a grappler. I'm almost 65 and still learning stuff...:)
 
There are those whose hands are registered deadly weapons and there are the rest of us. My greatest concern is the justice system, which, in many states is not a level playing field. A righteous use of deadly force may not keep you from months or years of fighting for your life in court or financial ruin. Everyone must vote in every election and support leaders that fight for blind justice. A fair justice system will get bad guys off the street and help level the playing field should you ever find yourself defending your use of deadly force.
 
Slidog said:
There are those whose hands are registered deadly weapons and there are the rest of us. My greatest concern is the justice system, which, in many states is not a level playing field. A righteous use of deadly force may not keep you from months or years of fighting for your life in court or financial ruin. Everyone must vote in every election and support leaders that fight for blind justice. A fair justice system will get bad guys off the street and help level the playing field should you ever find yourself defending your use of deadly force.
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In reality hands registered as deadly weapons only happens in the movies.
 
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