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This kind of political stuff should be illegal!!

Pitdogg2

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Karina's Law” has passed both the Illinois House, 80-33-0, and the Illinois Senate, 43-10-0. Remember, it would have taken only 60 votes in the House and 30 votes in the Senate to pass. This bill will now, undoubtedly, be signed by the Governor. The bill that was passed was not the original “Karina's Law” bill, SB2633. The bill that was actually passed was HB4144 FA Number 2. The designation FA Number 2 means the “Floor Amendment Number 2”.



HB4144 was originally a water supply disruption bill that had passed the Illinois House and was sent to the Illinois Senate. While in the Illinois Senate, all the language was stripped out of the bill and replaced with language from “Karina's Law”. HB4144 FA#2 then became the new “Karina's Law” bill.



The bill passed in the Illinois Senate and was then returned to the House. Even though the meaning and intent was different, all the House had to do was take a concurrence vote to pass it. The confusing part of all of this is that the title stating that it was a water disruption bill stayed the same. I had several calls stating that it was the original water disruption bill, but it was not. You have to check the last amendment to the bill. The bill will now go to the Governor for his signature.



The ISRA believes this bill does not meet the constitutional requirement found in a recent Supreme Court of the United States decision in the United States v Rahimi case, which requires a hearing with a defendant present. “Karina's Law” only requires an ex parte hearing, which means the defendant, most likely, never knows that they have a hearing. This, of course, opens a way for accusations to be brought by vindictive petitioners and unscrupulous attorneys against the person who may have done nothing wrong.



Another problem with this bill is that if a search warrant is issued and the police come and seize the defendant's firearms. The police department is not liable for the damage that may be done to very expensive or collectible firearms.



Anti-gun forces applied maximum pressure using their unlimited funds which enabled them to hire 13 lobbyists, or more, to push this bill through. This is a vindictive bill with which to attack all law-abiding gun owners.



The murder of Karina Gonzalez and her daughter was a tragedy. Karina had an order of protection against her husband which he violated. The police were called to Karina's home and the husband was there, in violation of this protective order. The police did not check the LEADS system and take him into custody, which they should have done. The husband then returned and murdered Karina and her daughter. Once again, we have another law piled on the backs of gun owners because the system once again failed.
 
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Congress is seriously guilty of this. Take a bill and add completely unrelated amendments to it so that it means something else entirely. A lot of gun control garbage gets snuck by this way. As well as all sorts of harmful legislation. I seriously believe a law should be passed that says any amendment to a bill MUST be related to the original purpose of that bill. Of course, it'll never happen with the crooks we have in power. 🤬
 
I can't believe any of you residing in the people's republic of Illinois are even slightly surprised. That's how we got saddled with PICA. Those jag-offs gutted an insurance bill and completely replaced the spirit and text with the BS we know as PICA. The original sponsor of the bill in its original text abandoned it entirely because it had none of her original intent. In Illinois, the bill has to be read 3x prior to a vote. So a boring piece of legislation gets read 3x, then they do what's called "gut and replace" with whatever unconstitutional or otherwise intolerable crap they wanna pass and Vóila! You're now further oppressed by a corrupt regime with irrefutable power that can't/ won't be taken away. Gerrymandering and unscrupulous legislation has assured them of perpetual power.
Gov fatboy continually blows his own horn, saying he's the best thing since sliced bread. The reality, insanely high taxes, hemorrhaging residents and businesses, tanking property values in spite of artificially inflated taxable values. I would welcome gov Rod back in a heartbeat over this fat POS.
 
I can't believe any of you residing in the people's republic of Illinois are even slightly surprised. That's how we got saddled with PICA. Those jag-offs gutted an insurance bill and completely replaced the spirit and text with the BS we know as PICA. The original sponsor of the bill in its original text abandoned it entirely because it had none of her original intent. In Illinois, the bill has to be read 3x prior to a vote. So a boring piece of legislation gets read 3x, then they do what's called "gut and replace" with whatever unconstitutional or otherwise intolerable crap they wanna pass and Vóila! You're now further oppressed by a corrupt regime with irrefutable power that can't/ won't be taken away. Gerrymandering and unscrupulous legislation has assured them of perpetual power.
Gov fatboy continually blows his own horn, saying he's the best thing since sliced bread. The reality, insanely high taxes, hemorrhaging residents and businesses, tanking property values in spite of artificially inflated taxable values. I would welcome gov Rod back in a heartbeat over this fat POS.
I'm not surprised at all with how things are done. I have been watching and trying to fight there B.S. for many years. I file witness slips and contact my elected people. Not that I need to because down here on the South end of the state they always vote the way they need to without me contacting them . I just like to let them know that I am watching them.

On the federal level I have contacted Durbin and Duckworth many times . I have never gotten so much as a canned letter from Duckworth and I have gotten a couple from Durbin. Durbin always lets me know how much smarter he is about the gun problems then I am. Just two P. O. S. as far as I am concerned. But at least I try.
 
Draft a bill with a number, that's the bill, no additional stuff added later. You want to remove stuff fine, you want to add stuff, start over with new bill number!
The problem with our bill that was past is most members I'm sure thought they were voting on the water supply bill.
I guess it is expecting too much if you think your elected representatives actually read what they are signing on to. Sneaky they are!
 
In Illinois, the bill has to be read 3x prior to a vote. So a boring piece of legislation gets read 3x, then they do what's called "gut and replace"
again, HOLY BLEEP! I can't believe this hasn't been challenged in court. Illinois must have the same type of spineless ameba, yellow stain, reDUMBlican, :poop: bags as my own state.
 
again, HOLY BLEEP! I can't believe this hasn't been challenged in court. Illinois must have the same type of spineless ameba, yellow stain, reDUMBlican, :poop: bags as my own state.
In all fairness to our republican elected officials here, they are completely outnumbered. They can't pass a resolution to blow their noses. Chicago/Cook County and her surrounding collar counties totally upend the state. The farmers down south just get kicked in the gut day after day. The entire hierarchy is leftist Democrat. They are a well organized parasite. They will continue to feed off the host until it's all consumed. Until the state gets it's head out of it's @$$, this will continue, business as usual. But that won't happen. Union support and gimmegrants lined up for "muh free stuff" and of course, the bleeding heart liberals with their indoctrinated "white guilt" They're not about to let that "free ride" drift off into the sunset.
 
I'm not surprised at all with how things are done. I have been watching and trying to fight there B.S. for many years. I file witness slips and contact my elected people. Not that I need to because down here on the South end of the state they always vote the way they need to without me contacting them . I just like to let them know that I am watching them.

On the federal level I have contacted Durbin and Duckworth many times . I have never gotten so much as a canned letter from Duckworth and I have gotten a couple from Durbin. Durbin always lets me know how much smarter he is about the gun problems then I am. Just two P. O. S. as far as I am concerned. But at least I try.
Same here, Papa, I'm sure all the witness slips have done nothing but place me on "the list" It used to be common sense started South of 80, but it seems to be creeping further South. Bloomington-Normal, Springfield, Peoria and Carbondale. Places with 'higher education ' seem to be plagued with stupidity.
 
I can't believe any of you residing in the people's republic of Illinois are even slightly surprised. That's how we got saddled with PICA. Those jag-offs gutted an insurance bill and completely replaced the spirit and text with the BS we know as PICA. The original sponsor of the bill in its original text abandoned it entirely because it had none of her original intent. In Illinois, the bill has to be read 3x prior to a vote. So a boring piece of legislation gets read 3x, then they do what's called "gut and replace" with whatever unconstitutional or otherwise intolerable crap they wanna pass and Vóila! You're now further oppressed by a corrupt regime with irrefutable power that can't/ won't be taken away. Gerrymandering and unscrupulous legislation has assured them of perpetual power.
Gov fatboy continually blows his own horn, saying he's the best thing since sliced bread. The reality, insanely high taxes, hemorrhaging residents and businesses, tanking property values in spite of artificially inflated taxable values. I would welcome gov Rod back in a heartbeat over this fat POS.
+25 point for the use of Gov fatboy.
 
Democrats are flouting Gov. Pritzker as a frontrunner for the 2028 democratic presidential nominee.
And the left will paint his "accomplishments" as all peaches n cream. The reality is, he's increased taxes by demanding county assessors artificially increase property values by 10%. The county has my property over valued by about 50k. That gives him the ability to raise taxes without raising taxes. It's all a shell game. I hope to God that the American people see this fat b@stard for what he is if they're gonna run him against Vance. With him, there will be no law and order, the constitution will be an inconvenience and he will declare himself king. The guy is an authoritarian pr!ck. He ran this state into the ground and COVID didn't help, not one bit. Mom n pop shops across the state couldn't survive the mandated lockdowns, and our children were robbed of education (also due to teachers unions) This SOB absolutely must be stopped at the soapbox, if not the ballot box. Our country won't survive under an administration of his. Hell, his family ain't even keen on him. Few people remember, he had toilets removed from his mansion so he could duck out on taxes. He's scum, lower than scum. Tell your friends, tell your family, anyone who will listen. Do not let this fat piece of %$#@ anywhere near the whitehouse
 
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