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Very interesting. If she is successful in have her 2nd amendment rights restored, the precedence will be set. Cases like hers would have to be decided on a case by case basis. In our world nowadays, the word "felon" has a broad definition. It will be very interesting to see how the courts proceed with this.
 
i have a daughter in law convicted of a felony...domestic violence and she owns firearms
seems lopsided if all this lady did was a bad check for 800.00

i know bad checks are bad...but her bad check didnt hold a gun to her spouses face and beat him like a rag doll with a baby bat.
i sort of hope this lady can get it resolved
 
For years, I've left liberal jaws on the floor with this. When someone is saying that convicted felons should have their voting rights restored, I reply: "I agree, absolutely! A convicted felon should be allowed to vote in the first election after his/her right to legally purchase, possess, and concealed-carry a handgun is restored." :oops::eek:

Pearls are clutched! Panties are wadded! And I usually get called a RAAAAACIST!!! because that's we do now. :LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
powerboatr said:
i have a daughter in law convicted of a felony...domestic violence and she owns firearms
seems lopsided if all this lady did was a bad check for 800.00

i know bad checks are bad...but her bad check didnt hold a gun to her spouses face and beat him like a rag doll with a baby bat.
i sort of hope this lady can get it resolved
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What state do you live in allows her to own/ possess firearms?
 
Plenty of state Felons get their felonies expunged and their 2nd A rights back and there’s no issue! So why the Feds have made an exception is not clear.

Ideally (not that NYC and others have kept their BG locked up) If one is safe enough to be released walk around in public it’s a waist of resources to police if she heads a firearm. Once someone is off paper and did their time they should be able to vote, have a firearm etc. they mess up again it’s a progressive discipline thing!

On the flip side if it’s a crime agains a person like they intended to murder or did murder, rape etc then they don’t get out of prison period!
 
belladonna said:
Very interesting. If she is successful in have her 2nd amendment rights restored, the precedence will be set. Cases like hers would have to be decided on a case by case basis. In our world nowadays, the word "felon" has a broad definition. It will be very interesting to see how the courts proceed with this.
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A State might rule one way but the person under Federal law would still be subject to arrest
 
CAPMARINE276 said:
A State might rule one way but the person under Federal law would still be subject to arrest
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When you get a state charge expunged the Feds can say nothing. There are several attorneys that do nothing but expungements and the clients have their 2A rights back and passes a 4473 like anyone.
Expungements are like Serve Pro like it never happened!!!!
Usually though it has to be 7-8 years or something of clear conduct since the conviction

There are only a couple exceptions that can not be expunged. One is a public corruption conviction and the other is if the person commeted a sex crime and on a list.

Also what isn’t knowledge in a few states (probably most) a lot of folks get a misdemeanor Domestic Battery charge even if it’s changed to simple battery (usually) there is a clause that it lists the battery was with a domestic partner child girl/guy etc you still are barred from owning a firearm like it was a full fledged DV.
 
XD94045 said:
I’ll be interested to see how this turns out.

www.deseret.com

A convicted felon who turned her life around wants the Supreme Court to restore her gun rights

Convicted of trying to cash a bad check in 2008, Mindy Vincent wants her Second Amendment rights restored
www.deseret.com www.deseret.com
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well, i just did a quick search, and found this..

Can felons get gun rights back in Utah?

Utah law provides two main ways to restore your firearm rights, by expungement or pardon from the Governor. It should be noted that there is legal authority indicating that a 402 Reduction from a felony to a misdemeanor may also a viable way to restore your Second Amendment Rights.

so i dunno.......personally i feel that if one is supposed to "lose" many things due a "felony conviction", then it should stay that way for life.

that was the whole idea of the punishment in the first place.....can't live a law abiding life, and take your rights for granted..??

then lose them for good.
 
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Old_Me said:
well, i just did a quick search, and found this..

Can felons get gun rights back in Utah?

Utah law provides two main ways to restore your firearm rights, by expungement or pardon from the Governor. It should be noted that there is legal authority indicating that a 402 Reduction from a felony to a misdemeanor may also a viable way to restore your Second Amendment Rights.

so i dunno.......personally i feel that if one is supposed to "lose" many things due a "felony conviction", then it should stay that way for life.

that was the whole idea of the punishment in the first place.....can't live a law abiding life, and take your rights for granted..??

then lose them for good.
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Her issue is as she has a Federal Felon, Federal Law has a No go on expungements

As far as loosing rights for good if she or anyone can’t be trusted 100% after their sentence or their crime was so heinous then they wouldn’t be given the privilege to walk free among the rest of us that play nice!
 
ECS686 said:
Her issue is as she has a Federal Felon, Federal Law has a No go on expungements

As far as loosing rights for good if she or anyone can’t be trusted 100% after their sentence or their crime was so heinous then they wouldn’t be given the privilege to walk free among the rest of us that play nice!
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This is exactly my point. It they can't be trusted to be in the community safely then they should not be in society
 
I know a guy who had a stupid felony on his record from when he was young. Nothing violent or evil. He just didn't bother getting a lawyer and took what they gave him. 30 years later he gets that felony expunged. 2 years later and he still gets denied at NICS. His lawyers have contacted the FBI more than once and the BGC still denies him.
 
Bassbob said:
I know a guy who had a stupid felony on his record from when he was young. Nothing violent or evil. He just didn't bother getting a lawyer and took what they gave him. 30 years later he gets that felony expunged. 2 years later and he still gets denied at NICS. His lawyers have contacted the FBI more than once and the BGC still denies him.
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could there be a time limit of when an expungement can be applied for?

if so, maybe he long ago passed that limit.??
 
Bassbob said:
I know a guy who had a stupid felony on his record from when he was young. Nothing violent or evil. He just didn't bother getting a lawyer and took what they gave him. 30 years later he gets that felony expunged. 2 years later and he still gets denied at NICS. His lawyers have contacted the FBI more than once and the BGC still denies him.
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I can relate in a way. I had a DWI in 1981, was convicted, lost my license for 30 days, was fined the exact amount in my bank account by the judge, and so forth, and this was all just BEFORE the big stinky MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) thing started--if it had all gone down six months later, I'd have been in BIG trouble. I quit drinking altogether in 1984, was very active in AA for the first three years, and celebrated 39 years clean and sober last September 18th. About 10 or 15 years ago I was laid off and unemployed for a long time and broke. I was so desperate for a job I checked into becoming a school bus driver, which was always pretty much my definition of "living hell." My county was equally desperate for school bus drivers; they had radio ads going, and tables at job fairs and so forth. I had a clean driving record save one minor speeding ticket years before since my DWI, so figgered I should be good, right? Oh, no. Turns out if you have EVER had a DWI, ANYWHERE, no matter how long ago or how clean your life since, you can NEVER be a school bus driver in my county (or maybe in my whole evil state, I'm not sure which). You are on DWI DOUBLE-SECRET PROBATION FOR LIFE! :eek: :eek: :eek: Ah shucks oh well, I didn't REALLY want the job anyway, and as it turned out, God had something MUCH better planned for me, but that's another story. ;)
 
ECS686 said:
Her issue is as she has a Federal Felon, Federal Law has a No go on expungements

As far as loosing rights for good if she or anyone can’t be trusted 100% after their sentence or their crime was so heinous then they wouldn’t be given the privilege to walk free among the rest of us that play nice!
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thing is, as i recall, "doing the time" and getting out doesn't erase everything, that felony conviction is lifetime. meaning it does not restore rights.

sorry, but i am old school on some issues, and losing rights is one of the things that people ought to be aware of, when they are about to, or actually do the crime they were arrested for, charged with, tried and convicted of.

it's what "should" keep people on the "straight and narrow"

and YES, i know that can be a fine line to follow.

now too, i will say this, had she been tried in court, and found INNOCENT..??

then by all means, full restoration, even up to and including removing said arrest.
 
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