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Thoughts on 25 acp???

wmg1299 said:
I've become more curious about the 25 acp recently because I can still find ammo in stores and even order it online through several of the big box chains. Paul Harrell did a good video on 25 acp a few years back. In this market, if I could find a 25 acp from a reputable company I would be tempted to purchase it. The only one's I've seen are from Phoenix Arms, and the designs don't really appeal to me.
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If you are serious about buying a .25ACP, the absolute top choice is a Seecamp. I can't even guess how many undercover LEOs and Federal Agents carried these guns as backups. At one time the guns were only sold to sworn law enforcement and the wait time was 6 months or more. http://www.seecamp.com/products.htm Seecamp website also has a forum.

My second choice would be a baby Browning but they will be used, expensive and hard to find. This is what I carried for a small gun before the Seecamp.

My third choice, mostly because of its somewhat larger size, would be the Beretta which Beretta apparently no longer makes. It does make a better range gun because it is larger and has sights.

I own all three so I have some idea of what I am writing.
 
adam sr said:
I shot one many years ago didn't like it. A loaded 25 acp is better than a empty 9mm. Good point Wirenut. I was looking at co2 pistols last weekend thinking that I could practice with them cheaper and easier to get ammo for.
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I bought a bb gun for practice
ChanceMcCall said:
If you are serious about buying a .25ACP, the absolute top choice is a Seecamp. I can't even guess how many undercover LEOs and Federal Agents carried these guns as backups. At one time the guns were only sold to sworn law enforcement and the wait time was 6 months or more. http://www.seecamp.com/products.htm Seecamp website also has a forum.

My second choice would be a baby Browning but they will be used, expensive and hard to find. This is what I carried for a small gun before the Seecamp.

My third choice, mostly because of its somewhat larger size, would be the Beretta which Beretta apparently no longer makes. It does make a better range gun because it is larger and has sights.

I own all three so I have some idea of what I am writing.
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Thank you ive actually seen a baby browning in a pawn shop locally its kinda what got me wondering about 25acp the only reason I have never bought one is because I have been told the round is worthless and has zero penetration some have even told me that they are about as good as having a cap gun...
 
I’d take a Colt 1908, personally...I used to carry my 1917 vintage model when I needed to go truly covert, and it never failed with decent ammo...I preferred S&B FMJ, ran a touch hotter than domestic loads.

I wouldn’t bother with JHP's in a .25...if they expand, you won’t get enough penetration.
 
I have never owned nor shot a .25 ACP. Years ago a friend told about an incident he witnessed in a bar. A big burly guy and a little guy got into an argument. The little guy pulled a .25 ACP and shot the big guy. The big guy beat the little guy to a pulp and then walked to the ambulance when it arrived. I have had no interest in a .25 ACP since then. :)
 
ChanceMcCall said:
If you are serious about buying a .25ACP, the absolute top choice is a Seecamp. I can't even guess how many undercover LEOs and Federal Agents carried these guns as backups. At one time the guns were only sold to sworn law enforcement and the wait time was 6 months or more. http://www.seecamp.com/products.htm Seecamp website also has a forum.

My second choice would be a baby Browning but they will be used, expensive and hard to find. This is what I carried for a small gun before the Seecamp.

My third choice, mostly because of its somewhat larger size, would be the Beretta which Beretta apparently no longer makes. It does make a better range gun because it is larger and has sights.

I own all three so I have some idea of what I am writing.
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I understand why a collector would like to have one or more of the pistols you mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong a 22LR is considerably more powerful than the 25 ACP.
 
rcurtner said:
I understand why a collector would like to have one or more of the pistols you mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong a 22LR is considerably more powerful than the 25 ACP.
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I'm sorry. You are incorrect. .22 ammo is always tested in a long barrel- .25ACP is normally tested through very short barrels. Paul Harrell (as mentioned by a previous poster) did a very definitive test using the tip up Beretta's that everyone should watch before spouting off. One serious consideration is that the center fire .25 went bang every time - the .22 (like all .22s) did not. We just lost Paul but he carried a .25 among other larger guns to his dying day.

I have, in years past, been there when .25s were used effectively by law enforcement to end very serious situations.
 
It was around 1980 when I saw a .25 ACP in a ‘70s gun magazine that I have never forgotten. I want one to this very day, and I’m sure I always will.

Someone with skill had made a functional 1/2 scale Thompson SMG chambered in .25 ACP.
That has to be one of the most useless, yet fascinating, guns I’ve ever heard of.

I can even dream of a set: the 1/2 scale Thompson plus a 1/2 scale 1911. Might as well wish for a 1/2 scale M3 Grease Gun and Reising also. I would be the world’s largest consumer of .25 ACP ammunition. (Although 100 rounds might do that now.)

It’s 3:15 AM and my imagination is going crazy. I’m now thinking half-size moon clips could be made for a half-size M1917 S&W and Colt revolver. I’m gonna be up all night again.
 
ChanceMcCall said:
I'm sorry. You are incorrect. .22 ammo is always tested in a long barrel- .25ACP is normally tested through very short barrels. Paul Harrell (as mentioned by a previous poster) did a very definitive test using the tip up Beretta's that everyone should watch before spouting off. One serious consideration is that the center fire .25 went bang every time - the .22 (like all .22s) did not. We just lost Paul but he carried a .25 among other larger guns to his dying day.

I have, in years past, been there when .25s were used effectively by law enforcement to end very serious situations.
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I carried a little .25 in a shirt pocket for a while when in patrol as a last ditch backup. I thought if you stuck it in an assailant's nose or ear it would save you but it's ballistics did not inspire confidence. Nowadays I would opt for one of the micro 9's for a backup.
 
Susquash said:
I have never owned nor shot a .25 ACP. Years ago a friend told about an incident he witnessed in a bar. A big burly guy and a little guy got into an argument. The little guy pulled a .25 ACP and shot the big guy. The big guy beat the little guy to a pulp and then walked to the ambulance when it arrived. I have had no interest in a .25 ACP since then. :)
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So... you'll depend on obtuse and anecdotal "old wives tales" as a basis for making such decisions.

Hmmmmm...
trader said:
well if one isn't sure about a .25 then why not spring for a .22 mag? seems to be smallish sized for a pocket/backup and would have some punch to it.
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From these small "pocket" handguns, the .22 WMRF will, and always does, expend most of its propellant charge in a magnificent fireball. Distracting, it is. Effective? Ballistic gel tests illustrate an added inch of penetration.

There's not much to be gained in this respect.
 
Dadavis93 said:
I bought a bb gun for practice

Thank you ive actually seen a baby browning in a pawn shop locally its kinda what got me wondering about 25acp the only reason I have never bought one is because I have been told the round is worthless and has zero penetration some have even told me that they are about as good as having a cap gun...
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The "lack of penetration" line is a lot of nonsense. The .22 Long Rifle has either a soft lead or copper-washed bullet that may deform on impact, inhibiting penetration. Penetration is what counts with these short-barreled pistols.

The .25 uses a true FMJ (50-grain) bullet. This aids in penetration. Buffalo Bore makes a stout load for it and they also make a 60-grain Hard Cast Flat Point Lead load for the little cartridge. The heavier pill penetrates even further and the flat point crushes more flesh.

These are the best improvements for the .25 ACP since John Modes Browning created the round.
 
Caliber is a personal choice, i had a 25 years ago and it was a true belly gun, if you didn't have the muzzle in the assailants belly you wasn't going to hit him. now 380's are small as the 25. much better defense round in my opinion, which matters little.
 
Captain O said:
So... you'll depend on obtuse and anecdotal "old wives tales" as a basis for making such decisions.

Hmmmmm...

From these small "pocket" handguns, the .22 WMRF will, and always does, expend most of its propellant charge in a magnificent fireball. Distracting, it is. Effective? Ballistic gel tests illustrate an added inch of penetration.

There's not much to be gained in this respect.
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um ok only 1" huh

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I happen to be quite fond of the so-called mouse guns.I have carried one as my only CCW. I also prefer the .25 over the .22 due to reliability issues. Centerfire vs rimfire. We've all had .22s that failed to fire, not so much with the .25.
You have to change tactics with a mouse gun. Forget center mass. These are guns meant to be used at bad breath distances. Instead, stick the gun right in the BGs face and pull the trigger. Several times. A bullet may go through an eye socket or sinus cavity and directly into the brain. But don't count on it. Instead, while the BG is distracted by the blood and pain, you run like Hell! Remember, the purpose of your self defense gun is to save your life. Doesn't really matter if the BG survives or not as long as you get away.
The Baby Browning was mentioned and I do have one. However, my favorite carry .25 is my PSP-25 (now called PSA) which is a licensed copy of the Baby. I truly believe its a better built gun.

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A buddy of mine on a violent crime task force in a major city used to carry the .25 Beretta as a backup backup.
Years ago he engaged a Angel Dust freak. He put 5 of 6 from a .357 into center of mass. Then 4 of 6 from a 9.mm (pre 1990s). And then as the suspect was choking him out. He drew the .25 stuck it in the guy's eye and fired.
The suspect went paws up. Autopsy found that the .357 rounds should have been disabling but the body kept going. So I guess in that situation it was ok.
 
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