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Tinkering with the Defensive Pistol

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Talyn

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Enthusiasts and aficionados know certain modifications improve the effectiveness of defensive pistols, However the same modifications often present challenges for the defense team in the legal battles that follow a justified self defense incident.

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Tinkering with the Defensive Pistol

Enthusiasts and aficionados know certain modifications improve the effectiveness of defensive pistols, However the same modifications often present challenges for the defense team in the legal batt…
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More fear mongering. A Prosecutor doesn’t need a reason to charge someone only beyond a reasonable doubt to win a conviction.

The thing a mod can do is cause the gun to malfunction at a critical time (every Glock I have seen choke is due to aftermarket parts or YouTube gunsmithing with that “50 cent trigger mod”)

In the case of trigger mods the problem is it could make you shoot when you are not legal if your stress/crisis management isn’t under control

But the gun tubers spread panic on YouTube might as well read it like the old days!
 
Bassbob said:
He says it’s a reality. I wonder if he has examples he can cite. So far no one else has ever come up with one.
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I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m not drawing my gun on someone because I intend to hurt their feelings. What intent does a 2.5lb trigger demonstrate over a 5lb trigger. This is a gun community urban myth and I have not seen any concrete proof provided of a modified gun leading to greater jeapordy than a stock one.
 
Any defensive firearm should be as reliable as is humanly possible. In “most” cases, the design engineers know more about that than the typical civilian, so mine are pretty “stock”. I’ve had a 1911 tuned by a pro, and an M1 modded to National Match spec though. Sad fact is the opposition is going to do their best to make You the bad guy and somehow make the thug that attacked you the “victim”. It’s a crazy world out there. Bubba the Felon can have a switch on his Glock, but you’ve got to have your stuff together😏
 
Shibadog said:
Any defensive firearm should be as reliable as is humanly possible. In “most” cases, the design engineers know more about that than the typical civilian, so mine are pretty “stock”. I’ve had a 1911 tuned by a pro, and an M1 modded to National Match spec though. Sad fact is the opposition is going to do their best to make You the bad guy and somehow make the thug that attacked you the “victim”. It’s a crazy world out there. Bubba the Felon can have a switch on his Glock, but you’ve got to have your stuff together😏
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Knowing more about the design than the typical civilian isn’t really relevant here though. We’ve all heard of idiots who work on their own guns and render them dangerous or inoperable but that’s not the issue here. No one is suggesting people that don’t know what they’re doing should work on their gun. It is still the overwhelming recommendation that any carry gun be thoroughly tested for reliability and safety. None of this changes the fact that no one has ever been convicted in an otherwise justifiable defense shooting because they did a trigger job or modified gun parts from stock.

It’s really two different things.
 
Bassbob said:
Knowing more about the design than the typical civilian isn’t really relevant here though. We’ve all heard of idiots who work on their own guns and render them dangerous or inoperable but that’s not the issue here. No one is suggesting people that don’t know what they’re doing should work on their gun. It is still the overwhelming recommendation that any carry gun be thoroughly tested for reliability and safety. None of this changes the fact that no one has ever been convicted in an otherwise justifiable defense shooting because they did a trigger job or modified gun parts from stock.

It’s really two different things.
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Agree. My only issue is that it really doesn’t matter what you carry or whether it’s stock or modified (unless of course it’s obviously been rendered unsafe to operate by someone), the attorney on the other side is going to do his best to paint the good guy as a villain.
 
Shibadog said:
Agree. My only issue is that it really doesn’t matter what you carry or whether it’s stock or modified (unless of course it’s obviously been rendered unsafe to operate by someone), the attorney on the other side is going to do his best to paint the good guy as a villain.
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The lack of one demonstrable example of it happening notwithstanding, very few if any violent attackers killed in a justifiable self defense shooting wind up having attorneys. In rare cases where criminal’s families sue civilian shooters it’s civil and almost always in deep blue states/cities. Most states have preemption laws against that sort of thing.
 
Hi,

This well known lawyer discusses how modifications might affect a self defense case, but quotes no specific case. Instead he uses a couple of other ancillary examples. It's a general "what if" article. Please pardon the interspersed promotions for CCW Safe and his own services.

Legal Liability for Carry Gun Modifications – Law of Self Defense

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Of course we are speaking about legal modifications. Illegal modification could certainly be brought up in court and make a bad case for the defendant. A prosecutor has a lot of liberty when it comes to introducing "evidence" to try and make the person who defended himself/herself look guilty to the jury, even calling them a "psychopath" without a real clinical diagnosis.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Mr.W. said:
I read that piece a few days ago. IMO, I'll not give a prosecutor any possible angle to skew into his favor. I learned about, and I train with, my one and only carry pistol. Stock.
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In reality all my carry guns are stock too. That said I would mod them in a heartbeat if I wanted to. The whole overzealous prosecutor BS pedaled by Ayoob and others is simply propaganda designed to market carry insurance and make money for lawyers. The things they say can happen, never have. I’ve asked for examples over and over and over and over and never once has one been presented.
 
Bassbob said:
In reality all my carry guns are stock too. That said I would mod them in a heartbeat if I wanted to. The whole overzealous prosecutor BS pedaled by Ayoob and others is simply propaganda designed to market carry insurance and make money for lawyers. The things they say can happen, never have. I’ve asked for examples over and over and over and over and never once has one been presented.
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To each his/her own on modifications. I agree with Bob never have seen or heard of a case where a lighter than stock trigger pull was used in a prosecution. Not saying it has never happened but would say if so it's rare.
 
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