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To Act Or Not To Act: The Good Samaritan Situation

MrMichaelActual said:
Domestics are the worst, stay away from Domestics... big difference in engaging in a random situation vs a domestic... Bobby beating on Billie jean, you step in, Billie jean jumps on your back screaming 'but he loves me' Bobby starts hitting you... nah. Call 911 for a Domestic and let the rook get beat up
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I am being trite.. Domestics are dangerous. Call 911
 
yotehtr said:
This ain't the same Country we all grew up in. In a Walmart parking lot, that woman in the back of a van, screaming help rape, might just be role playing with her boyfriend. He grabs a tire iron & you go to jail for life.
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In that type of situation you have to decide whether it's best to be a hero or a good witness. The deciding factor for me is that good witnesses seldom get charged with anything. Whatever you do you'll be second guessed by folks that weren't there.
 
Tom Gresham off GunTalk described a scenario where two rough looking men come out of a house with a woman and she is screaming for help. The good Samaritan draws his weapon and orders the men to stop. The good Samaritan is arrested for pointing his weapon at two undercover police officers.
 
There's another aspect that is being overlooked here as well.

Even if you don't go to jail you're still going to have to hire a lawyer.

I remember watching a YouTube video a couple of years ago in which Andrew Branca said that he charges $800 an hour. That was several years ago I'm sure that price has gone up.

I've heard people like The Armed Attorneys and there's a guy on Glocktalk who is known to be an attorney say that on a criminal defense you're looking at paying your attorney at least $200 an hour.

I've been told again and again and again that if you are ever involved in criminal defense it is going to significantly impact your ability to provide for your family for the rest of your life.

I can't speak for any other state but my wife worked for the Colorado State Public Defender's Office for when we got married.

In Colorado you have to prove that you cannot afford an attorney before one is appointed to you.

They will make you sell everything you own and pay for a lawyer. And when you run out of money and your lawyer drops you then they assign a public defender to you.

I watched it happen to somebody I know. He sold his car he drained his bank account he sold his house, he hawked all of his electronics , he sold all his jewelry he sold all his wife's jewelry, that was at least 20 years ago and he still has not financially recovered.
 
The Night Rider said:
There's another aspect that is being overlooked here as well.

Even if you don't go to jail you're still going to have to hire a lawyer.

I remember watching a YouTube video a couple of years ago in which Andrew Branca said that he charges $800 an hour. That was several years ago I'm sure that price has gone up.

I've heard people like The Armed Attorneys and there's a guy on Glocktalk who is known to be an attorney say that on a criminal defense you're looking at paying your attorney at least $200 an hour.

I've been told again and again and again that if you are ever involved in criminal defense it is going to significantly impact your ability to provide for your family for the rest of your life.

I can't speak for any other state but my wife worked for the Colorado State Public Defender's Office for when we got married.

In Colorado you have to prove that you cannot afford an attorney before one is appointed to you.

They will make you sell everything you own and pay for a lawyer. And when you run out of money and your lawyer drops you then they assign a public defender to you.

I watched it happen to somebody I know. He sold his car he drained his bank account he sold his house, he hawked all of his electronics , he sold all his jewelry he sold all his wife's jewelry, that was at least 20 years ago and he still has not financially recovered.
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Agree!
These days there are more and more companies offering insurance for this... This is not a commercial for anyone so here is what one advertises without the name. also note the word Defense<
Coverage Details:


  • Liability Insurance Limit: $2,000,000 annual aggregate
  • Defense Expense: No Limit
  • Cost of Bail Expenses: $100,000 of funds. A $1,000,000 bond usually costs $100,000 or 10% of the total.
  • Incidental Expenses: $20,000
  • Actual Loss of Earnings: Up to $750 per day
 
I was peace officer in 1970-1980"s. You couldn't pay me enough to be in law enforcement today. Responding to family disputes was a call that always had the potential to go South. Example: Responded to call where neighbors said they heard a woman screaming. Upon arrival a woman a stated her husband was drunk and had been hitting her. I entered the house and noticed the woman's clothing was torn and her face was red. The husband jumped up from a sofa running toward me. I got the husband on the floor was trying to handcuff him. The woman behind me was screaming, pleading for me not hurt him. Out the blue she hit me with a chair. After a brief scuffle I arrested both of them. Sorry for the long story just trying to show how intervening in such incidents can really get out of hand. If I viewed a fellow human being assaulted I'm pretty sure I would try to help. Would that be a smart move, probably not. Our justice system is so hit & miss today getting arrested or being sued is a real likelihood.
 
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Some things can almost guarantee you'll get arrested
 
The Night Rider said:
There's another aspect that is being overlooked here as well.

Even if you don't go to jail you're still going to have to hire a lawyer.

I remember watching a YouTube video a couple of years ago in which Andrew Branca said that he charges $800 an hour. That was several years ago I'm sure that price has gone up.

I've heard people like The Armed Attorneys and there's a guy on Glocktalk who is known to be an attorney say that on a criminal defense you're looking at paying your attorney at least $200 an hour.

I've been told again and again and again that if you are ever involved in criminal defense it is going to significantly impact your ability to provide for your family for the rest of your life.

I can't speak for any other state but my wife worked for the Colorado State Public Defender's Office for when we got married.

In Colorado you have to prove that you cannot afford an attorney before one is appointed to you.

They will make you sell everything you own and pay for a lawyer. And when you run out of money and your lawyer drops you then they assign a public defender to you.

I watched it happen to somebody I know. He sold his car he drained his bank account he sold his house, he hawked all of his electronics , he sold all his jewelry he sold all his wife's jewelry, that was at least 20 years ago and he still has not financially recovered.
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My son, who is a deputy sheriff, once told me to always keep a $50 dollar bill in the house. I asked him why and he replied that if I ever caught someone in the house who had broken in not to be in a hurry to shoot them, but first offer them $50 dollars to leave. I asked him why would I want to do that. He replied that the $50 dollars would be nothing compared to what it would cost me if I shot an intruder. After reading what has happened to folks that were involved in a shooting it kind of makes good sense.
 
Recusant said:
My son, who is a deputy sheriff, once told me to always keep a $50 dollar bill in the house. I asked him why and he replied that if I ever caught someone in the house who had broken in not to be in a hurry to shoot them, but first offer them $50 dollars to leave. I asked him why would I want to do that. He replied that the $50 dollars would be nothing compared to what it would cost me if I shot an intruder. After reading what has happened to folks that were involved in a shooting it kind of makes good sense.
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I guess that depends on what state you're in. Someone breaks into your house here and you have to shoot them you aren't going to court. They will probably have your gun for awhile, but you ain't getting charged.
 
Bassbob said:
I guess that depends on what state you're in. Someone breaks into your house here and you have to shoot them you aren't going to court. They will probably have your gun for awhile, but you ain't getting charged.
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That's what I said. But my son has been in many houses where people have been killed and he said the clean up alone can run thousands. I doubt if my homeowners policy would cover that. I think most of us would do what we needed to do and worry about the expenses later.
 
Recusant said:
That's what I said. But my son has been in many houses where people have been killed and he said the clean up alone can run thousands. I doubt if my homeowners policy would cover that. I think most of us would do what we needed to do and worry about the expenses later.
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I believe that. I gutted this house in 2017 and rebuilt it from the ground up with help from my amazing wife. I don't think we'd be paying anyone, though I can imagine some furniture would need replacing. In any event it's not something I would ever look forward to.
 
The more I think about threatening situations, the less likely I am to use lethal force for a 3rd party.
Usually one life isn't more valuable than the other.
Another thing to consider is can you afford to use lethal force. When firearms are involved, the law in America is not on your side until the DA says so.
I can think of many sirnerieos where the best way to win the fight is to not be involved.
 
A very thought provoking thread indeed.
For me…….
If not completely knowledgeable of the total situation than 911 is in order before you start filming.
Make sure I’m not the only person aware of what is going on…..
Safety in numbers.
Document everything done and said as much as possible.

I will say this……
If I were to come upon a police officer in trouble I would help in anyway possible.
 
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